Camping Adamastor

[Clave Dark 5]

I've filed two complaints on this in the past coupla days and so far haven't gotten solid responses - I'm willing to wait a bit while they hash things out behind the scenes though, so I'm not throwing them under a bus yet.  But yeah, they park on top, leave an AoE on auto, pets set for Attack, then walk away and wait for someone else to come along and summon.  I really wish I could gently push them off the platform like civilians can nudge players on a sidewalk.  😃

 

I've also one-starred the toons so I can avoid playing with them, just as I did with Halloween ToT farmers of similar tactics.  (Funnily enough, I haven't seen hardly any of those folks in the near-year since.  I presume people are dual-boxing this and funneling the rewards to their main accounts.)

[SwitchFade]

10 minutes ago, Clave Dark 5 said:

I've filed two complaints on this in the past coupla days and so far haven't gotten solid responses - I'm willing to wait a bit while they hash things out behind the scenes though, so I'm not throwing them under a bus yet.  But yeah, they park on top, leave an AoE on auto, pets set for Attack, then walk away and wait for someone else to come along and summon.  I really wish I could gently push them off the platform like civilians can nudge players on a sidewalk.  😃

 

I've also one-starred the toons so I can avoid playing with them, just as I did with Halloween ToT farmers of similar tactics.  (Funnily enough, I haven't seen hardly any of those folks in the near-year since.  I presume people are dual-boxing this and funneling the rewards to their main accounts.)

You can, kheldian collision box makes it possible to scoot people all over. It's a secret trick that involves teleport.

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, SwitchFade said:

1 hour ago, Clave Dark 5 said:

I've filed two complaints on this in the past coupla days and so far haven't gotten solid responses - I'm willing to wait a bit while they hash things out behind the scenes though, so I'm not throwing them under a bus yet.  But yeah, they park on top, leave an AoE on auto, pets set for Attack, then walk away and wait for someone else to come along and summon.  I really wish I could gently push them off the platform like civilians can nudge players on a sidewalk.  😃

 

I've also one-starred the toons so I can avoid playing with them, just as I did with Halloween ToT farmers of similar tactics.  (Funnily enough, I haven't seen hardly any of those folks in the near-year since.  I presume people are dual-boxing this and funneling the rewards to their main accounts.)

You can, kheldian collision box makes it possible to scoot people all over. It's a secret trick that involves teleport.

Secret? That was a common practice back on Live. Particularly by players that liked to troll other players using ledge sit or similar emotes while waiting for an iTrial to launch.

[SwitchFade]

2 hours ago, Rudra said:

Secret? That was a common practice back on Live. Particularly by players that liked to troll other players using ledge sit or similar emotes while waiting for an iTrial to launch.

Onoz! Secrets out.

[srmalloy]

8 hours ago, Clave Dark 5 said:

But yeah, they park on top, leave an AoE on auto, pets set for Attack, then walk away and wait for someone else to come along and summon. 

What's funny about the practice is that the only 'benefit' is that you can leave your character AFK and get the merits -- nineteen times over the 20-hour reset cycle, 120 merits, allowing for the time it takes to drop Adamastor. If you were to join one of the regular Hami raids, then in about an hour, you could earn 160 merits (or 120 merits and four Empyrean merits). But then you'd actually have to be playing the game, since you can't do it AFK.

[Clave Dark 5]

14 hours ago, SwitchFade said:

You can, kheldian collision box makes it possible to scoot people all over. It's a secret trick that involves teleport.

Huh, news to me, but I've never had  Kheledian. I tried to move 'em about using a few different TP powers one my toon (Savage Melle, Shield, Combat TP, Spring Jump), but nothing doing.  Maybe I shoulda tried porting pets into them instead.

 

Kheldians out there?  You now know what you must do.  😃

 

[Spaghetti Betty]

There's a very old trick with Super Speed and following that can really push people around.

 

But I will not divulge because it can be motion sickness inducing!

[Luminara]

Taking Adamastor camping is a terrible idea.  He doesn't help set up the tent, he doesn't gather firewood, he won't fetch water, the only thing he knows how to make is pancakes, and he smells funny.

[Ghost]

2 hours ago, Spaghetti Betty said:

There's a very old trick with Super Speed and following that can really push people around.

 

But I will not divulge because it can be motion sickness inducing!

I actually had to make a complaint against someone because of this.  They followed me around Cim, constantly doing it.  After asking them to stop 3 times, I sent off a complaint and logged.

[Techwright]

Why not request a "magic" bubble over the platform?  Akin to the mothership bubble.  Something that pushes/teleports all player characters out of range.  Have it activate 10 minutes after Adamaster falls, and drop the moment he is available again.

[Arc-Mage]

16 hours ago, Techwright said:

Why not request a "magic" bubble over the platform?  Akin to the mothership bubble.  Something that pushes/teleports all player characters out of range.  Have it activate 10 minutes after Adamaster falls, and drop the moment he is available again.

I really like this idea.

[Luminara]

20 hours ago, Techwright said:

Something that pushes/teleports all player characters out of range. 

 

No.  Nooooooooooooooooooooo.

 

Mag 100 KB and mag 100 Repel.

 

I'd camp that.  I'd camp that hard.

[GastlyGibus]

I was thinking maybe some kind of merit timeout similar to TF's where you get reduced rewards for doing the same content multiple times in one 20-hour period, but then I also feel like that would discourage players from summoning him more than once a day.

Maybe the rules could be changed just for Adamastor, to make it so you need to contribute at least XX% of the damage, either alone or on a team, to qualify for merits. This change would only affect Adamastor; other giant monsters would follow the same rules as before.

Barring that, maybe they can try shuffling his spawn around so he's not always spawning in the same spot. Make it random but also clearly advertised, so players can know where it is but bots can't predict where he'll be. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by GastlyGibus

[Greycat]

Honestly, Adamastor's not worth 10 merits. I could understand the "bonus" back when you had to get the recipe to summon him, as it was something extra, but now you just go there, click, remove hit points for 30 seconds, bam , 10 merits.

 

That's pretty much the entire "special" draw for him.

 

Flip side of that? Lusca should be worth more than 6 merits. That actually takes time and some effort to take down. (And, relevant to the discussion, can't really be camped - she has multiple spawn locations in a large zone, after all, *and* moves during the encounter.)

[Rudra]

6 minutes ago, Greycat said:

Honestly, Adamastor's not worth 10 merits. I could understand the "bonus" back when you had to get the recipe to summon him, as it was something extra, but now you just go there, click, remove hit points for 30 seconds, bam , 10 merits.

 

That's pretty much the entire "special" draw for him.

 

Flip side of that? Lusca should be worth more than 6 merits. That actually takes time and some effort to take down. (And, relevant to the discussion, can't really be camped - she has multiple spawn locations in a large zone, after all, *and* moves during the encounter.)

So knock Adamastor down to 2 merits? 4 tops? And Lusca up to 8 or 10?

[srmalloy]

12 minutes ago, Greycat said:

but now you just go there, click, remove hit points for 30 seconds, bam , 10 merits.

Ten merits the first time in a 20-hour period; the remaining defeats only give you 6, the same as any other GM. Still infinitely repeatable. One possibility for addressing camping is to have him summon at a location in a radius around the altar where you perform the ritual, and then have to find where he spawned; that way, AFK campers on the top of the platform wouldn't be close enough for their auto attacks or pet aggro to hit him, so wouldn't get defeat credit.

[biostem]

What if, upon summon Adamastor, there was a big, local warning with a 5-second countdown, after which he phased everyone in a small radius around himself for 60 seconds or so, thereby preventing them from doing anything.

[Greycat]

2 hours ago, Rudra said:

So knock Adamastor down to 2 merits? 4 tops? And Lusca up to 8 or 10?

 

6, same as the other GMs. Lusca should give more than that, though, yes. He's not significantly *easier* than other GMs - he's just average, and now doesn't have a "cost" to summon him. So give him the average.

[biostem]

3 hours ago, Rudra said:

And Lusca up to 8 or 10?

Lusca should give like 2 merits per "part" - Maybe a few more for the head, since it can only be defeated after all the tentacles...

[Troo]

a 30 day timeout, followed by account deletion.

too harsh?

 

 

 

 

[Burk]

4 hours ago, biostem said:

Lusca should give like 2 merits per "part" - Maybe a few more for the head, since it can only be defeated after all the tentacles...

 

Technically Lusca becomes vulnerable after 6 tentacles are defeated. You can still have 2 of them up.

 

Also, while I agree that Lusca is not really a difficult GM to defeat, it does have a more significant time investment and 2-4 extra merits is not going be so overpowered that anyone would bother trying to farm Lusca. So at least 8-10 merits seems appropriate to me. I don't agree that the tentacles themselves should give merits.

[Clave Dark 5]

10 hours ago, Troo said:

a 30 day timeout, followed by account deletion.

too harsh?

Well I was over there last night around 1 am and saw no campers, sooo...

[Oubliette_Red]

I just though it'd be hilarious if one of the Mods spawned as Adamastor in that spot and crushed the campers.

 

[Ghost]

2 hours ago, Clave Dark 5 said:

Well I was over there last night around 1 am and saw no campers, sooo...

I saw two of them get bumped off the platform last night around 10pm cst by a WS.
The first one stayed where they fell.

The second immediately jumped back onto the platform.  A minute later, the first jumped back on.

 

😞

Edited August 24, 2023 by Ghost

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, Ghost said:

I saw two of them get bumped off the platform last night around 10pm cst by a WS.
The first one stayed where they fell.

The second immediately jumped back onto the platform.  A minute later, the first jumped back on.

 

😞

That at least means they, though most likely (s)he, is active rather than just AFK'ing it.