Power Changes Grant Respecs

[Rudra]

I know this is late, but I just today resumed playing my Psychic Blast Blaster since before the April 25th, Issue 27 page 6 update.

 

The change to Psionic Dart to make it Psionic Darts made my character illegal. Fortunately, the character is not required by the game to respec to fix that. Which was something I absolutely hated in CO. Unfortunately, I relied on that attack as one of my two single target draw out an enemy to me attacks at my still fairly low level (level 21). (Edit: I'm avoiding AoEs other than Psionic Tornado until much later in level.) So now I have to respec the character to fix it because of the power change to Blasters in that update. If you're going to change a power that drastically, both changing its tier and whether it is a ST or AoE attack, it would be really nice if you also granted characters using that power set a free respec to fix their characters. That one change is requiring me to completely rework my character. (Edit: The fact the replacement fast power is a sleep is also less than helpful.) I don't think an imposed character change awarding players a free respec is too much to ask for.

Edited May 18, 2023 by Rudra

[Psyonico]

I'm not disagreeing, because its something they did on live.  but Respecs flow like water on Homecoming.

[Rudra]

That is a fair point. In this particular case, this character is too low level to do any of the respec trials since is only level 21 and has no accumulated respecs from leveling left to fix the problem. Which means characters like this have to buy a respec recipe at 1.5M inf' to fix an imposed change. Not a player chosen change, a game imposed change. Even gaining access to the Patron Pool powers grants the gaining character a respec. And that is a player choice.

Edited May 18, 2023 by Rudra
Edited to add "characters like".

[FupDup]

A free respec is given every 10 levels, so you would have had 2 on that character. It's kinda hard to use up both of them so early, but at least the first respec trial is only 3 levels away (24). 

 

Opening superpacks with a more established alt can also yield you some extra respecs that can be used by any of your other alts. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by FupDup

[Rudra]

39 minutes ago, FupDup said:

A free respec is given every 10 levels, so you would have had 2 on that character. It's kinda hard to use up both of them so early, but at least the first respec trial is only 3 levels away (24). 

 

Opening superpacks with a more established alt can also yield you some extra respecs that can be used by any of your other alts. 

Kind of hard? Sure. Unlikely? Also sure. Except I can show you my character and if you can check, you would see that the character has 0 respecs. The first respec trial is only 3 levels away, yes, but since I run solo almost all the time and I don't farm my characters up, those 3 levels are slow in coming. So that is still 3 long levels away.

 

I get there are options to get the character the needed respec. I have alts that can buy the respec recipe for the character. I already gave that character over 4M inf' prior to sidelining the character for a few months. The character has already been respec'ed. The character no longer has Psionic Dart/Psionic Darts and will not be getting it. (And the character will still not be getting Dominate Will.) The character has the chain of ST attacks I prefer on my lower level characters, albeit slower than normal. That is not what I am trying to address. What I am trying to address is that if the game/devs are going to force a change on our characters, then it would be appreciated if they also provided the respec to fix those characters. That is all I am asking for.

 

Player changes their own powers? Get their own respec through available options. Devs force a change in the character's powers? Then a respec would be appreciated. That is all I am saying.

[twozerofoxtrot]

This is a good, common sense suggestion and there's no good reason to push back on it. It's just good business to grant respecs any time there's a power change.

 

The fact that they're widely available and therefore not a rarity by any means only lends to that argument. It's not upsetting the game/market balance to do this.

[Zepp]

9 hours ago, Rudra said:

characters like this have to buy a respec recipe at 1.5M inf'

Not pushing back on the idea of granting Respecs, just that 1.5m number seems overblown. Halloween Salvage is generally purchasable at 666 influence, and therefore, even with the cost of the recipe itself, you rarely need to spend much more than 300k for a respec.

[Rudra]

That 1.5M number was from today on the AH. There was 1 sale showing at 1M. 2 sales showing at 2M. And the rest showed at 1.5M. Edit: And that was recipe cost alone.

 

Edit again: Well, from yesterday actually now.... It was the current running cost at the time I posted the price.

Edited May 19, 2023 by Rudra

[JasperStone]

This makes sense.

 

Since I don't have this AT and power-set in my roster, what makes it illegal? Just curious

[AboveTheChemist]

This seems like quite a reasonable request. If you still need a respec, I have several recipes gathering dust and would be happy to email you one. My global is the same as my forum handle so just send me an in-game email and I'll reply with the recipe.

[Marbing]

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Edited May 19, 2023 by Marbing
Joking aside, I agree with the OP

[0th Power]

I never realized that respecs weren't given for the power changes.  I had assumed they gave them out, like on live

[Rudra]

4 hours ago, JasperStone said:

This makes sense.

 

Since I don't have this AT and power-set in my roster, what makes it illegal? Just curious

When I made the character, the power was called Psionic Dart and it was the T1 power. After that update, it became a cone attack and was moved to the T4 position. I started at level 1 using Psionic Dart. There is no way to make a Psychic Blast Blaster any more and start with Psionic Darts as your level 1 power. That is what makes the character illegal. Fortunately, City of Heroes does not flag the character as being illegal and require it to be fixed. Legacy builds, at least as far as this character went, can still be played as they were built prior to any power shuffling and changes. However, it can no longer be made in this order.

[Luminara]

They usually do add a freespec when powers are adjusted in Pages.  I know I remember one of the HC team stating that in a recent (sometime in the last year) thread.  Not sure why one didn't go out this time.  @Cobalt Arachne?

[lemming]

I think it's a reasonable request and doesn't have a balance issue attached.

[Greycat]

I'd be for it just because, if nothing else, it was common practice on live. It just makes sense that if the game's changing a power (or rejuggling a power set or pool,) a respec's attached.

 

(Worst comes to worst, in @Rudra s case,  assuming you don't have sets started and just have commons... there's always the second build you get at 10.)