All zones changed to LEVEL 50 - thoughts?

[ForeverLaxx]

I'm not sure what the point of this topic is supposed to be. I know you've been going on about "this is just the first step towards free 50s for everyone in all content" with regards to the PvP 50s that are trapped in PvP zones (and Pocket D) forever, but you do know there are other servers that already offer that "free 50" feature? Or that you can just play on Brainstorm directly and get the same experience?

 

I feel like this thread exists to stir up drama around doom-posting because it would get pruned out of the beta thread if you kept it there.

[Doomguide2005]

10 minutes ago, GM Widower said:

There is no Secret Cow Level.

*wink, wink*, "Say no more"

 

Wait what's this about Doom posting ... I deny everything!

Edited July 24, 2022 by Doomguide2005

[Six-Six]

Sorry, I'm struggling to wrap my head around what making all zones level 50 would accomplish. Assuming you do take the insta-50 and pop in with a new toon, will you really be going out to street sweep? And if I don't do the insta-50, I appear in Mercy with my spanking new villain, I would be surrounded by L50 Rippers, snakes, longbow? That would make getting around town really difficult. what happens to hunt missions? like Numi's hunt X number of Y mobs in (Z)one? All the mobs will be 10 levels above the team.
 

[ivanhedgehog]

21 hours ago, tidge said:

OK, so if that would happen, can we support an AE environment that is open-world (non-instanced) that lets people play at a non-instant level 50 pace and team with random players, and has multiple zones and contacts to choose from?

/s

If I remember correctly, our dev team is 3 people. Lets have reasonable expectations of unpaid volunteers. I appreciate them but they need to sleep and have lives too.

[Spaghetti Betty]

How about no, but I'm not against the idea of having subsections of "scaled content" in zones that everyone can participate in.

[SwitchFade]

Math...

 

If everyone is 50, everyone is 1.

 

Make all content and all players permanently level 1.

 

When everyone is super... NO ONE is.

[ivanhedgehog]

20 hours ago, SeraphimKensai said:

The instant 50s isn't allowed to do pve missions, and only participate in pvp settings.

 

Pve doesn't need instant 50s.

 

That said allowing contacts and mobs to scale up to 50s so characters don't accidentally out level content I'm not opposed to. Thunderspy did something similar with  level-less zones and it worked well enough more or less, however certain mob types had to have more powers added to them to balance better at higher level of play, and lower level characters still had difficulty with normally higher level mobs because the number of powers that caused debuffs in things like Agony Mages, or Devouring Earth, etc.

level less zones is why I quit swtor. I want to actually progress in the game.

[Ruin Mage]

Mmm, no.  It would be a monumental undertaking that would be a net loss in my armchair developer opinion.

[skoryy]

 

23 hours ago, America's Angel said:

 

+1

 

Devs have gone on record saying insta-50s for PvE is never going to happen.

 

We already have near-insta-50s via farming, anyways.

[Bionic_Flea]

52 minutes ago, GM Widower said:

There is no Secret Cow Level.

 

Cow-EL, aka Superbull begs to differ.

[skoryy]

Since we have tons of legacy content, I think its a noble idea in theory.  Honestly, my idea would be removing the level caps from missions.  Why do I have to do timey wimey exemplaring shenanigans to fight Skulls?  They're still a problem now!

[skoryy]

Adding: Would Batman think of himself as too OP to bust some low-rent den of thugs?

 

Also adding: Use the Quantum stuff to throw in random Malta if you are running this stuff at 50.  That way there's still an element of surprise.

[Seed22]

Ehhh think I’d get bored. Hell I’m bored now post-50 after a few days( it’s why I keep making new 50s) if everything becomes insta-50, think it would be the push to finally get me to forever uninstall CoH

Edited July 24, 2022 by Seed22

[tidge]

22 hours ago, tidge said:

OK, so if that would happen, can we support an AE environment that is open-world (non-instanced) that lets people play at a non-instant level 50 pace and team with random players, and has multiple zones and contacts to choose from?

/s

 

50 minutes ago, ivanhedgehog said:

If I remember correctly, our dev team is 3 people. Lets have reasonable expectations of unpaid volunteers. I appreciate them but they need to sleep and have lives too.

 

[Ruin Mage]

5 hours ago, ivanhedgehog said:

If I remember correctly, our dev team is 3 people. Lets have reasonable expectations of unpaid volunteers. I appreciate them but they need to sleep and have lives too.

Close on the number.

Powerhouse/Booper/Player One (I think) are our power devs.
Fautline is a little of many things.
Naomi is Costumes/Bases
Cobalt & Caretaker are story/content.
N6 is the code wrangler. (There's probably a better way to describe it but shh)
Zanshin is...someone.

Edited July 25, 2022 by Shadeknight

[Troo]

2 hours ago, ForeverLaxx said:

I'm not sure what the point of this topic is supposed to be.

 

Should we just bump all the zones, missions, and task forces to level 50+?

• Any concerns?
• What's the best way to implement?

Do you have thoughts?

 

3 hours ago, Psyonico said:

Why isn't "Hell no" an option?

 

Good point.

[Ukase]

On 7/23/2022 at 1:48 PM, Troo said:

With the advent of instant level 50s with full Accolades and Incarnates

To my understanding, that's only in PvP zones, and those characters can't access non-pvp zones. Not like anyone uses the pvp zones for anything other than the occasional pill box and hero/villain badges. 

So, unless something has changed, I have no idea what you're talking about. 

Should they allow an instant 50 (sans incarnate stuff) or even with free incarnate stuff - why not? Some folks will still play content all the way through from level 1. 
Other folks can then stop spending time in the afk farms and do what they wanted to do already, a few itrial and tf trains. 

I don't see the harm. 

[Troo]

1 hour ago, Ukase said:

Should they allow an instant 50 (sans incarnate stuff) or even with free incarnate stuff - why not? Some folks will still play content all the way through from level 1. 
Other folks can then stop spending time in the afk farms and do what they wanted to do already, a few itrial and tf trains. 

 

See you got it.

Now an extension of that is what is also happening over in PvP where they are considering bumping the levels of all PvP zones to 50.

For PvE that would or could be changing open zones to be level-less similar to invasions or level 50. Task forces, trials, etc. could be the same.

Story arcs could be level specific and lockout powers over certain thresholds.

 

There could be a lot of ideas or ways to go about it.

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Troo
edited, because some people

[Oubliette_Red]

1 hour ago, Troo said:

 

Should we just bump all the zones, missions, and task forces to level 50+?

• Any concerns?
• What's the best way to implement?

Do you have thoughts?

 

 

Good point.

 

No.

 

Too much work (on the Dev's part) for too little return.

 

[Psyonico]

Level-less games exist and are an interesting design and can be fun (pre-homecoming I pretty much exclusively played ESO) however, the whole game is balanced around the fact that the mobs are level-less.

 

Every mob group that isn't already 1-50 would have to be rebalanced to be not too easy at level 50 but not too hard at level 1.  Not worth it this far into the game's existence.

[Troo]

@Psyonico@Oubliette_Red what if it hypothetically wasn't that hard to do? Still not worth it?

 

excerpt:

"change data/scripts.loc/ScriptDefs/V_SirensCallPvP.scriptdef,  data/scripts.loc/ScriptDefs/V_BloodyBayPvP.scriptdef and  data/scripts.loc/ScriptDefs/V_WarburgPvP.scriptdef, set var PvPCombatLevel = 50 instead of their existing levels, and restart the mapserver."

"I change the level of the spawndefs, so any mobs that exist at the right levels go up, yes. 30 second change, + half an hour waiting for mapserver to rebuild spawndefs"

 

 

[Yomo Kimyata]

4 hours ago, Bionic_Flea said:

 

Cow-EL, aka Superbull begs to differ.

 

That's hardly a *secret*!

 

[Psyonico]

2 hours ago, Troo said:

@Psyonico@Oubliette_Red what if it hypothetically wasn't that hard to do? Still not worth it?

 For pvp, I don't like it because it would spread out the already low number of PvP players since now there is no reason to be in one zone over the others.

 

For PvE I stand by what I said earlier.  In level-less games all mobs are designed to be not too hard for level 1 players, but not too easy for max level players.  This is not the case with CoX, so the enemies would either have to all be rebalanced or you would just end up confusing players who don't know things like "at level 1 you don't go to peregrine Island"

[Oubliette_Red]

1 hour ago, Troo said:

@Psyonico@Oubliette_Red what if it hypothetically wasn't that hard to do? Still not worth it?

 

excerpt:

"change data/scripts.loc/ScriptDefs/V_SirensCallPvP.scriptdef,  data/scripts.loc/ScriptDefs/V_BloodyBayPvP.scriptdef and  data/scripts.loc/ScriptDefs/V_WarburgPvP.scriptdef, set var PvPCombatLevel = 50 instead of their existing levels, and restart the mapserver."

"I change the level of the spawndefs, so any mobs that exist at the right levels go up, yes. 30 second change, + half an hour waiting for mapserver to rebuild spawndefs"

 

 

 

Modifying every member of every faction or adding additional members to each faction is not a small task.

 

[Clave Dark 5]

4 hours ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

 

That's hardly a *secret*!

 

 

That's only because he doesn't have his glasses on...