Greycat

Going by history, population versus population in zones, history, the whole works. If PVP were at pre-I13 participation levels? I'd have a harder case, I think, in saying it's this wholly unliked by the community in general (and saying this as someone who *enjoyed* it, too.) I don't think I'm on anything close to shaky ground by saying it. I'd love to be wrong, answering questions on "where are the PVP zones, I want to take my character there and fight!" in help and the like. If people were seeking it out, there'd be *some* conversation on it. I think I've seen one person ask *if* there was PVP in the game in the last year. The amount of time I'm on is not inconsiderable, and I tend to watch Help while I am (as well as LFG for spillover there.) And yes, part of the issue is that you really *do* have to learn to play a vastly different game. As a tank? Get ready to get mezzed. Healing? Watch it not work the same. Control? Eesh. But if the *demand* were there, people would be asking about PVP builds and just basic questions, as well. There'd be other people around in the zones. People would be looking for the arena. Those questions just don't come up.

Yes, but the patron attacks don't shoot from your eyes (though one *does* let you puke on people...). Gotta pay for being cool somehow! 😉 I'll let the numbers folks argue this one. Y'know, I don't think I've ever taken that, come to think of it...

I was, as indicated in my first post. I used to enjoy a good fight, and have actually been working on leveling a brute I used to have a lot of fun with on live. Reconsidering given the responses I'm getting.

So, TLDR version - there are cannolis and there are can'tolis and can'tolis make people sad?

He's sort of ... post-Praetorian at that point, though, so I can perhaps see why he doesn't count.

You saved up to 15% by switching to Geico?

... I see what you did there. 🙂

I'm not debating, I'm *asking questions,* because it looked strange to have Warshades there for the reasons I mentioned, and Khelds have the ability to stay at range in Nova (it's all they *can* do unless they want to get killed quickly) which may cause issues in a melee bracket. Thus asking what I did. Edit: Talked with AA and we're good.

VEATs, maybe, they suck - I only play up to the level 10 to get a costume slot. I like and pretty much always play the Kheld arcs, though.

The last line didn't exist when I replied. See my reply (currently 46 minutes ago) and the timestamp of your edit which added it (42 minutes ago at time of writing.) So, no, I didn't. That said? It's echoed very much in game. Otherwise... we'd have more people PVPing and the zones wouldn't be dead. It's not like they're hard to find or not referred to in game, or not visited by people (say) looking for shivans or badging.

Picking player spawn locations. Even if it was just in a few designated maps. I had an idea or two back on live that just couldn't be done because of things like "can't spawn the player in a holding cell."

No, it isn't pure speculation. It is going from, again, *years* of comments of people saying they don't like PVP, period. Want nothing to do with it, play COH because they don't have to deal with it, etc. You just have to read through *this very thread* to see that. And the suggestion's been made other times, too - I'm sure a quick search would bring up even more threads with the same commentary on it. And you can use the Internet Archive and (with judicious searching) see comment on it going back to PVP's introduction into the game. There are people who *just do not like* PVP, and play COH because they can avoid it. There are people who don't like PVP in this genre or environment, but might play it elsewhere. But it is not "pure speculation," by any means.

Super pack for getting 0 escapes in the "keep fir bolg from escaping" mission in Croatoa (first run only, whether it's at level or ouroboros.) And for succeeding with Efficiency expert Pither.

... so why is the Warshade being listed as melee? Dwarf form, maybe, but that's not *spectacular,* and human form has two auras and two melee attacks (Grav well and essence drain.) Is Nova form being restricted from the melee fight, then, as well?

We're hiding your refrigerator. 🙂

I'm going with years of history that I'm pointing out. I'm not making assumptions here. And I never stated "everyone," because quite obviously there *is* a PVP-ing population - pre-i13, *I* enjoyed PVP quite a bit, and still poke my nose in and look around for someone to fight (or at least go into the zones ready to do so, even though I'm not generally built for it,) so if you're thinking you're talking to someone who's anti-PVP, you're not.

It'd just be chat spam. I've seen people do it with fort, clear mind, pretty much anything they do and it gets.... annoying, honestly. On my buffers, unless there's some specific reason ("Multi-AV fight coming up, buffs will be ready in 28 seconds") for announcing it, I combat buff. I get as many people as I can when it's ready, if you're not there, be closer next time.

Nope. This conversation has been had since PVP was introduced - quite a good portion of the population does not *like* PVP. Even at the height of its popularity (pre-I13, so pre-current-system,) PVP was still a *small* portion of the population. At the time, we had warzone liasons (the ones standing outside the zones, now) inside the zone, and they'd be introduced as a contact - and block you from getting others. People complained *heavily* about being forced into a PVP environment when they wanted nothing to do with it. The same comments have come up when open world PVP gets mentioned - not just having everything spread out, but people don't *want* to "see heroes beating on each other in the street." PVP has a long history, *regardless* of system, of not being loved by most of the population.

Four zones, not that hard to find. And people in this game pretty overwhelmingly *do not* want to "stumble upon" PVP. PVP being in the dedicated zones (and arena) is probably the best setup for this game. Nothing in there is needed for the rest of the game. People who want to go there can. Those who want nothing to do with it can completely ignore it.

Dear $deity, no. It's bad enough in BB, where you've got a 15-25 range. (with the "+5 if you're exemped down," which should *really* be removed from PVP zones. Really screwed up Siren's too, AFAIC.) 1-50? They'd find a way to be even *emptier.*

Ehhhhh.... I don't *dis*agree it would be a useful thing - after all, we have a shared attack in human/nova and human/dwarf already (and dwarf needed a ranged attack,) but while on one hand it would be a buff, you'd also be *losing* places to stack IO bonuses, as well.

Kheldian lore's a lot more involved than that. Not to mention that starting in Praetoria, you'd completely miss the 1-50 Kheld-specific story arcs. If there are Praetorian EATs, let them be *praetorian* EATs. Not awkward shoehorning of things that don't make sense.

I've seen one group that "required" Discord for their itrial runs. I don't run with them at this point for various reasons. That was ... symptomatic. I haven't seen anyone else "require" Discord. Even the SGs I'm in, they may *have* it, but it's usually to BS back and forth, and that's usually text, too.

Yeah. As soon as I read this and saw "dedicated," all I can say is... Build *balanced* characters, not "dedicated" ones. I'll take a an Empathy Defender over a "Pure Healer" any day. Also, secondary side on defenders? Don't forget, those skills tend to do *debuffs,* as well. I'd also suggest, for *some* powersets (Empathy does stand as an example here) to make a second build that's more offense-oriented for those times you just want to solo. Of course, you have to fix that income problem. There's been other advice on that throughout. Pay attention to what else is dropping - what are you getting in salvage and recipes? Ending up with 60k inf? One piece of orange salvage dropped on the market for 5 inf should net you ~400-450k pretty much instantly. Some recipes can go for quite a bit, even if you can't craft them into the (generally more desirable) IOs. Also, (a) explore the zones - download Vidiotmaps and snag explore badges. 5 merits per zone you get all the badges for. And (b) run your *own* missions so you get those reward mertis. They'll make you money.

Flip side, outside of some grabbing an attack or two, I can only think of one that does have it for tough and/or weave in my collection. I know the "meta" is to have them and/or hasten, but I don't care (or, for that matter, take hasten most of the time.)