PeregrineFalcon Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 41 minutes ago, Peacemoon said: Also don’t mix pacifist with bystander. Actual pacifists are bystanders. An actual pacifist doesn't commit violence because they don't endorse or condone violence. An actual pacifist doesn't go into dangerous situations and then help the people who are committing violence, or order them to do so, and then just stand back and watch the violence. Someone who refuses to commit violence themselves while ordering others to do so is either a coward, a mastermind or a politician. 1 1 "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire posts, the posts become warning points. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion." Being constantly offended doesn't mean you're right, it means you're too narcissistic to tolerate opinions different than your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fancy ketchup Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just hang out in the AE building. If it isn't "real" then no harm is done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rishidian Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I wonder if NOT being able to do significant damage qualified as a pacifist. Is it the intent or the end results that counts? My Illusionist does almost no damage with his Imaginary Wounds, and relies on Deceive to get the other guys to work it out. He doesn't tell them to fight each other, but it just happens that they do. Which brings up a sore spot - Why don't I get full Experience using Deceive? I'm getting other guys to fight each other (not unlike a pet). The risk is the same as when I set my phantoms on a mob. And If I do some of the damage, I get only partial XP. I find this game mechanic to be unfair. I mean Charlie Manson got full credit, but deceived people to do his bidding... Back to the topic: A door sitter at a farm could be considered a pacifist AND do no damage - soaking up the XP, but not getting involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrono-Bot Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I think a psy/kin troller has a lot of potential to be played that way. Screwing with people but in a 'not touching you!' way. My bots/dark MM on live was a pacifist - his robots were autonomous beings and he was just following behind to keep things from going out of control. 1 I am @Chrono-Bot! SGs: Girls Gone Rogue Isles, The Helping Hands, The Orange Bagels, Paragon's Perfectly Normal Heroes. Server: Everlasting! See my characters, now with photos, below! https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/33049-chrono-bots-characters/ I'm not NOT here to make friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcane Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, Rishidian said: Back to the topic: A door sitter at a farm could be considered a pacifist AND do no damage - soaking up the XP, but not getting involved. Willing beneficiaries of violence =/= pacifists 🙂 think the exploration badge xp point is the only one that passes the smell test. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastille Boy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Sonic Blast. It's just yelling at your enemies until they give in. "Sticks and stones..." Water Blast (minus Dehydrate). Shooting someone with a Super Soaker is technically violence, but let's be serious. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Rishidian said: I wonder if NOT being able to do significant damage qualified as a pacifist. Is it the intent or the end results that counts? The intent is what counts. If someone pulls a knife and tries to stab you, and you take the knife away from them and throw them across the room, they aren't a pacifist, they tried to stab you! A person is a pacifist if they won't harm you, not if they can't. 1 "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire posts, the posts become warning points. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion." Being constantly offended doesn't mean you're right, it means you're too narcissistic to tolerate opinions different than your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatz the Insane Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Like all belief systems, Pacifism has shades of grey. It's a moral philosophy after all. The most extreme version of this is absolute pacifism, which precludes any form of violence, even in self-defense. Another example of pacifism is conscientious objectors like Desmond Doss, a World War 2 medic who refused to kill enemy soldiers and didn't carry a weapon. He won two bronze stars, was injured 4 times, and was awarded the Medal of Honor. My suggestion would be a Mind/Empathy Controller. The problem of course is that your single target hold and sleep do damage. but you could say the damage is non-lethal. It'd be pushing the boundaries, but you could simply come up with your own code of honor and call it something other than pacifism. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemoon Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Ignatz the Insane said: Another example of pacifism is conscientious objectors like Desmond Doss, a World War 2 medic who refused to kill enemy soldiers and didn't carry a weapon. He won two bronze stars, was injured 4 times, and was awarded the Medal of Honor. Nice. In game this could be a Defender who just never blasts, but 100% support Defenders are a bit of a meme and you’re going against the synergy of the AT, so I would avoid personally. Too much of a performance hit. Arguably Controller of Mastermind can let you play closer to this style without hampering performance so drastically. I think a pacifist Mastermind who focuses on supporting their team, but has guardians who defend them if they get personally attacked, is probably the route I would personally take. The pets can go into bodyguard mode which actually is very effective and making your character tougher whilst still sticking with the concept. Controller pets are actually pretty aggressive and ‘off the leash’ so to speak. Also Mind Control involves a lot of psychic domination, which I don’t consider too pacifist! 3 Retired, October 2022. Fallout Engineer Rad/AR Defender || Peacemoon Empathy/Psi Defender || Svarteir Dark/Dark Controller Everlasting || UK Timezone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_General Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I would probably go illusion and just imagine that all the damage people take is in their head. After all how many times have you hit your arm on something a said ouch even though you were not hurt? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clave Dark 5 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 My Bots/Emp MM might qualify, she just goes for a walk with the bots and they attack anyone who attacks her first. Or at least it works that way unless I start with Arcane Bolt or Pulse Rifle... but she does a heck of a lot of healing! 1 ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ Clave's Sure-Fire Secrets to Enjoying City Of Heroes Ignore those farming chores, skip your market homework, play any power sets that you want, and ignore anyone who says otherwise. This game isn't hard work, it's easy! Go have fun! ╚═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminara Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 1 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oubliette_Red Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Illusion/Empathy Controller with Concealment PP and Psionic Mastery Ancillary if you so choose. Regarding any of Illusions that cause direct damage, Phantom Army, Phantasm, Spectral Wounds etc, they can all be argued that it's the target's mind causing the damage, not the Illusionist. 1 Dislike certain sounds? Silence/Modify specific sounds. Looking for modified whole powerset sfx? Check out Michiyo's modder or Solerverse's thread. Got a punny character? You should share it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Does damage to property violate pacifism? Are robots alive? Is Siege alive? Does the foe need to be sentient? Are the Reflections in the Shadow Shard something a pacifist can smack down? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic_Flea Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, arcane said: How about a tanker with no damage aura, no attacks, but Perfect Zingers in taunt aura and Taunt. Victory purely by discourse 🙂 I give you . . . PACIFIC FLEA! Ice/Ice tanker - He gives his friends invisibility, taunts, provokes, and intimidates bad guys, then lays down Ice Patch and Whirlwind to keep everyone from fighting and getting hurt! When things get bad he can Hibernate, Phase Shift, Unrelenting, and Burnout to start it all again! (PS - another full set of either Mocking Beratement for more defense and recharge, or Perfect Zinger for another psi proc goes in Pacify. Mids wouldn't let me slot it, but I think it should be able to take taunt sets. If not, just shuffle slots elsewhere.) Spoiler This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.2.17https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn Click this DataLink to open the build! Pacific Flea: Level 50 Magic TankerPrimary Power Set: Ice ArmorSecondary Power Set: Ice MeleePower Pool: LeapingPower Pool: PresencePower Pool: ConcealmentPower Pool: Speed Hero Profile:Level 1: Frozen Armor (A) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage (3) Reactive Defenses - Defense (3) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance Level 1: Frozen Fists (A) Superior Gauntleted Fist - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime (5) Superior Gauntleted Fist - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime (5) Superior Gauntleted Fist - Accuracy/Damage (7) Superior Gauntleted Fist - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime (7) Superior Gauntleted Fist - RechargeTime/+Absorb (13) Superior Might of the Tanker - Recharge/Chance for +Res(All) Level 2: Hoarfrost (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal (39) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance (40) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime (40) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime (40) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance (42) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb Level 4: Chilling Embrace (A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow (46) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow (46) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance (48) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow (48) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow (48) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge Level 6: Combat Jumping (A) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All) (13) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 8: Wet Ice (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 10: Taunt (A) Perfect Zinger - Threat/Placate (15) Perfect Zinger - Threat/Placate/Recharge (15) Perfect Zinger - Threat/Placate/Recharge/Range (17) Perfect Zinger - Accuracy/Recharge (17) Perfect Zinger - Threat/Placate/Range (19) Perfect Zinger - Chance for Psi Damage Level 12: Permafrost (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3% (25) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All) (27) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance (27) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance (29) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime (29) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP Level 14: Pacify (A) Empty (34) Empty (34) Empty (34) Empty (36) Empty (36) Empty Level 16: Provoke (A) Perfect Zinger - Threat/Placate (19) Perfect Zinger - Threat/Placate/Recharge (21) Perfect Zinger - Threat/Placate/Recharge/Range (23) Perfect Zinger - Accuracy/Recharge (23) Perfect Zinger - Threat/Placate/Range (25) Perfect Zinger - Chance for Psi Damage Level 18: Glacial Armor (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 20: Ice Patch (A) Endurance Reduction IO (21) Recharge Reduction IO Level 22: Invoke Panic (A) Glimpse of the Abyss - Accuracy/Recharge (36) Glimpse of the Abyss - Endurance/Fear (37) Glimpse of the Abyss - Accuracy/Endurance (37) Glimpse of the Abyss - Fear/Range (37) Glimpse of the Abyss - Accuracy/Fear/Recharge (39) Glimpse of the Abyss - Chance of Damage(Psionic) Level 24: Grant Invisibility (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 26: Energy Absorption (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense (33) Power Transfer - Chance to Heal Self (33) Power Transfer - EndMod Level 28: Infiltration (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 30: Misdirection (A) Mocking Beratement - Threat/Placate (42) Mocking Beratement - Threat/Placate/Recharge (43) Mocking Beratement - Threat/Placate/Recharge/Range (43) Mocking Beratement - Accuracy/Recharge (43) Mocking Beratement - Threat/Placate/Range (45) Mocking Beratement - Recharge Level 32: Hibernate (A) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime (50) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime (50) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance (50) Preventive Medicine - Heal Level 35: Phase Shift (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 38: Super Speed (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range (39) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance (46) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points) Level 41: Hasten (A) Recharge Reduction IO (42) Recharge Reduction IO Level 44: Whirlwind (A) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge (45) Sudden Acceleration - Knockback to Knockdown (45) Endurance Reduction IO Level 47: Unrelenting (A) Recharge Reduction IO Level 49: Burnout (A) Recharge Reduction IO Level 1: Brawl (A) Empty Level 1: Gauntlet Level 1: Sprint (A) Unbounded Leap - +Stealth Level 2: Rest (A) Empty Level 1: Swift (A) Empty Level 1: Health (A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance (9) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery (9) Miracle - +Recovery Level 1: Hurdle (A) Empty Level 1: Stamina (A) Power Transfer - EndMod (11) Power Transfer - Chance to Heal Self (11) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End Level 38: Speed Phase ------------ Edited February 10, 2022 by Bionic_Flea 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTeague Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I mean, you have your Kwai Chang Caine pacifist, from the old 1970's "Kung Fu" TV show. He would fight of course, but it was never his first choice. And then you have your Robert Jordan / Wheel of Time / Tinkers, adherents to the "Way of the Leaf" who would run if they could, but if escape was impossible, would allow themselves and their entire families to be slaughtered rather than pick up a weapon or even swing a fist. One is vastly more practical in this game (and in real life) than the other. That said, you do you. Not realllly worth arguing too much back and forth what's a "true" pacifist. 2 Roster: MTeague's characters: The Good, The Bad, and The Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I dunno. All of MY alts are here to *BLEEP!* you up! 1 2 If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemu Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I made an ice/poison controller designed to contribute to the team just by standing around bad guys. It does exactly as advertised. There are other tools in my kit, but if I wanted to be completely passive and still be useful to the team, it can do the job. 1 Liberty, Torchbearer, Excelsior, Everlasting Jezebel Delias Level 50 Fire/Elec/Mace Blaster I am the Inner Circle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranagrande Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 It's more about playstyle than archetypes and powers. Any character should be able to get to level 50 without ever damaging an enemy, or teaming with players that damage enemies. As mentioned, you can get some early xp from exploration badges. If you've got Hide or Stealth, you can do paper/radio missions involving item retrieval. In my experience, about a third of those can be completed without combat. If you'd be forced to fight, leave and abandon the mission. There's also another way: Auto-complete a mission once every three days and claim your meager rewards. This is very, very slow, but effective if you don't want to actually play the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTeague Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 12 hours ago, Hyperstrike said: I dunno. All of MY alts are here to *BLEEP!* you up! At least one should be named Hans, or Franz 2 Roster: MTeague's characters: The Good, The Bad, and The Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 hours ago, MTeague said: At least one should be named Hans, or Franz No. I have no fluffers in my stable.😉 1 1 If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancrusher Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Stack as many fear powers in a build as you can, slot them without any damage procs, then just spam fear powers, over and over again, making them paralyzed with fear or fleeing with terror. Take enough passive defensive powers (personal ff, phase, etc.) to cover your ass if it goes sideways. It may annoy the crap out of your teammates, but it's completely non-violent! Actually... this sounds kind of fun... 😆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GastlyGibus Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Funnily enough, I have a character named "Pacifist Unit," an Illusion/Sonic controller, who does use the concept. "It's all illusory, I'm not doing anything at all to them!" If we were to use the strictest interpretation of pacifism, though, it just cannot work. The definition of pacifism is "the belief that war and violence are unjustifiable," and most people who claim to be pacifists adhere to this rule, regardless of context. They will never fight back, even in self-defense, nor will they aid anybody participating in violence. So even if you rolled something like an Empathy defender and took no offensive powers whatsoever, only aiding allies, it still wouldn't be pacifism, because you're aiding the violence of your allies. 1 Global Handle: @Gibs A guy with unpopular opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 2/9/2022 at 6:00 PM, Chrono-Bot said: I think a psy/kin troller has a lot of potential to be played that way. Screwing with people but in a 'not touching you!' way. I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you! I'm not touching youuuuuu!! But you know what I am gonna do? I'm going to use my mental powers to conjure up monsters from the ID to torture you psychically until you collapse from the terror and exhaustion. Hope that doesn't cause you any lasting trauma or anything. But I won't touch you physically, cause I'm a pacifist. 🤪 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4yzkefot3c 1 "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire posts, the posts become warning points. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion." Being constantly offended doesn't mean you're right, it means you're too narcissistic to tolerate opinions different than your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperstrike Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Cancrusher said: Stack as many fear powers in a build as you can, slot them without any damage procs, then just spam fear powers, over and over again, making them paralyzed with fear or fleeing with terror. Take enough passive defensive powers (personal ff, phase, etc.) to cover your ass if it goes sideways. It may annoy the crap out of your teammates, but it's completely non-violent! Actually... this sounds kind of fun... 😆 "Why have you been level 10 for 60,000 hours of play?" Well.... 4 If you want to be godlike, pick anything. If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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