Nerf Destiny before Any More Advanced Difficulty TFs/SFs

[Astralock]

Before any more Advanced Difficulty TFs or SFs are added to the game, please nerf Destiny outside of Incarnate trials.  Right now, both the Advanced Difficulty Dr. Aeon SF and Imperious TF are cheesed by cycling the Barrier Destiny ability, removing both challenge and the need for strategy.  People are even demanded to have a tier 4 Barrier Destiny ability prior to joining.  I would suggest possibly cutting the buffs from Destiny in half outside of Incarnate trials, or prevent Destiny abilities from stacking outside of Incarnate trials.  That would open up diversity of Destiny abilities, and add challenge back to the Advanced Difficulty TFs and SFs.

[Cobalt Azurean]

One, two, three, FOUR... Nerf Destiny be-FORE

Adding more difficulty to the game

anything else would be insane

[The_Warpact]

Or just lead a trial how you want with those rules in mind so you can attract like minded people.

 

That way you're not forcing the way you want to play on others who might be less receptive. 

Edited August 28, 2022 by The_Warpact
Spell check dammit

[Astralock]

  On 8/28/2022 at 11:49 PM, The_Warpact said:

Or just lead a trial how you want with those rules in mind so you can attract like minded people.

 

That way you're not forcing the way you want to play on others who might be less receptive. 

Expand  

 

"Just lead how you want."  Sounds great, except that doesn't work out in practice.  Most people are inherently lazy and will always take the path of least resistance.  "Join the guy who is asking people to use strategy, or just join the guy who will let us spam Barrier so I don't have to think?  I know which one I'm joining!"

[The_Warpact]

  On 8/28/2022 at 11:51 PM, Astralock said:

 

"Just lead how you want."  Sounds great, except that doesn't work out in practice.  Most people are inherently lazy and will always take the path of least resistance.  "Join the guy who is asking people to use strategy, or just join the guy who will let us spam Barrier so I don't have to think?  I know which one I'm joining!"

Expand  

There are like minded people out there that do hard mode, level the old fashioned way, etc there are SGs dedicated to it.

 

Having the devs modify something to suit your playstyle aka the minority is dead on arrival.

 

Take the time, use LFG to promo the type of itrial you want to do, and give it a try.

[Cherry]

  On 8/28/2022 at 11:42 PM, Cobalt Azurean said:

One, two, three, FOUR... Nerf Destiny be-FORE

Adding more difficulty to the game

anything else would be insane

Expand  

don't quit your day job.

[Cobalt Azurean]

  On 8/28/2022 at 11:59 PM, Cherry said:

don't quit your day job.

Expand  

But in soviet California, job quits you!

[battlewraith]

  On 8/28/2022 at 11:51 PM, Astralock said:

"Just lead how you want."  Sounds great, except that doesn't work out in practice.  Most people are inherently lazy and will always take the path of least resistance.  "Join the guy who is asking people to use strategy, or just join the guy who will let us spam Barrier so I don't have to think?  I know which one I'm joining!"

Expand  

 

Just form an sg for those elite, non-lazy few. Separate yourselves from "most people" and follow your dreams. 

The path of least resistance in this case is asking the devs to nerf things to suit your needs.

[Black Zot]

So much for the canard that adding harder content would appease the Dark Souls people.

[Psyonico]

  On 8/28/2022 at 11:51 PM, Astralock said:

"Join the guy who is asking people to use strategy, or just join the guy who will let us spam Barrier so I don't have to think?  I know which one I'm joining!"

Expand  

 You call it cheesing, but using Barrier is in fact a strategy.

 

Also, the challenge modes are balanced around having all of your incarnate slots slotted, 4 star basically says "your whole team is entirely T4'd"

[BrandX]

Not all my Incarnates have Barrier, but for the ones who do, it fits their concept the best 😛

 

But I don't think I've seen that requirement issued on HM TFs myself.

[Spaghetti Betty]

  On 8/29/2022 at 1:33 AM, Black Zot said:

So much for the canard that adding harder content would appease the Dark Souls people.

Expand  

Are you kidding? Dark Souls fans are the Lords of shouting "But you didn't play right because you used x!"

 

So this suggestion seems right in line with that.

[Coyotedancer]

How about just adding an option to the HM content that disables Incarnate powers for them?

[Crysis]

  On 8/29/2022 at 1:33 AM, Black Zot said:

So much for the canard that adding harder content would appease the Dark Souls people.

Expand  

 

If any Dark Souls players are here on HomeComing, I'm sure they are here to relax.  This isn't that challenging of a game.

 

Unless you play MM's who actually -rely- on Destiny Barrier to keep from resummoning henchmen twice per spawn in iTrials.

[Burk]

  On 8/29/2022 at 3:27 AM, Coyotedancer said:

How about just adding an option to the HM content that disables Incarnate powers for them?

Expand  

 

Selecting 4-star under difficulty does not prevent you from selecting "No Incarnate Powers" under power selections or the "No Enhancements" toggle. 😉

[Uun]

  On 8/29/2022 at 1:53 AM, BrandX said:

But I don't think I've seen that requirement issued on HM TFs myself.

Expand  

I haven't seen it as a requirement to join, but for Relentless Aeon, the teams I have run with have wanted 3-4 on the team. On several occasions I have crafted one on a character that didn't have one already.

[golstat2003]

  On 8/29/2022 at 1:27 PM, Uun said:

I haven't seen it as a requirement to join, but for Relentless Aeon, the teams I have run with have wanted 3-4 on the team. On several occasions I have crafted one on a character that didn't have one already.

Expand  

 

True and I think that is fine. If folks want to not run that way they can form their own team.

 

So one additional -1 from me to the OP's suggestion.

[Coyotedancer]

  On 8/29/2022 at 1:16 PM, Burk said:

 

Selecting 4-star under difficulty does not prevent you from selecting "No Incarnate Powers" under power selections or the "No Enhancements" toggle. 😉

Expand  

 

Then what the devil is Astra complaining about? He can turn off the Incarnate powers on his runs if he wants to. 

 

Unless this is yet another one of those "If *you people* aren't ALL playing my way, then I can't be happy!"-situations. 😝

[MsSmart]

I can't agree with you on this one...

 

The reason is nurfing destiny impacts different arch types different, for example all the support without destiny clarion, go back to being victims instead of heroes; of course no respectable melee would ever need destiny clarion so this recommendation works just fine. And please do not give the line that support they can use break frees, if this was so practical, why give melee status protections? After all they can be using break frees too, right?

 

Destiny Barrier is a much more useful abili9ty to once more prop the support types, who are very restricted in their opportunities to get resistances and defenses, nurfing this, would impact the support types far worse than a melee whose resistances and defenses are handed to them in a silver platter.

 

I do agree with other suggestions, that if "you" want to go through the effort to form a group and tell prospective players that incarnate abilities will not be allowed, "in your" TF, that is fine by me, but don't expect me to come with any support alts to this TF, I may come with one of many melee types tough which are sincerely unaffected by the not having incarnate powers condition.

 

Hugs

 

Sue

 

 

[ShardWarrior]

  On 8/29/2022 at 2:29 PM, Coyotedancer said:

Unless this is yet another one of those "If *you people* aren't ALL playing my way, then I can't be happy!"-situations. 😝

Expand  

 

I believe you hit the nail squarely on the head. 😁

[Uun]

Unyielding/Ruthless (☆☆☆) 

• This content is balanced around everyone on the team having Tier 3 incarnate powers.

Invincible/Relentless (☆☆☆☆) 

• This content is balanced around everyone on the team having Tier 4 incarnate powers.

[Black Zot]

  On 8/29/2022 at 2:29 PM, Coyotedancer said:

Unless this is yet another one of those "If *you people* aren't ALL playing my way, then I can't be happy!"-situations. 😝

Expand  

 

See also - basically EVERY "nerf this" post.

[Indystruck]

Destiny mostly trivialized support sets on its own, but hard mode content is making support relevant again. Only nerf I'd really propose for destiny is extending the cooldown period of every one but Clarion and Incandescence.

[Astralock]

  On 8/29/2022 at 3:27 AM, Coyotedancer said:

How about just adding an option to the HM content that disables Incarnate powers for them?

Expand  

 

  On 8/29/2022 at 1:16 PM, Burk said:

 

Selecting 4-star under difficulty does not prevent you from selecting "No Incarnate Powers" under power selections or the "No Enhancements" toggle. 😉

Expand  

 

Incarnate abilities in general are not the issue.  Destiny is.  Particularly Barrier.  Alpha, Interface, etc., are all fine.

[arcane]

Obviously you can disagree with the OP’s specific suggestion *without* taking ludicrous positions such as “all nerfs are bad” or the notoriously stupid “you want to control how others play!”. 
 

But it doesn’t seem many here got that memo.