0th Power Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Not so much a suggestion, but a thought... Would it be possible to have a, to borrow from call of duty, a “hardcore” option? Teams would have to be much more careful of aoes and could lead to a bit more strategy than what we have now. I (think that I) would enjoy this more. I can see the problems of grieving, so there would have to be a solution for that. Like it, hate it, meh? I am Pro-Human I invented Combat Teleport I invented K'ong (More proof here too) Battle Rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilii Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) /b LF7M for hardcore mission team, scrappers/brutes only, don't come if you can't handle a group on your own As in, I'm thinking people would split up rather than strategize. Path of least resistance and all that. Edited August 14, 2019 by nihilii 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoru-hime Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 It's an interesting idea and kinda fun to think about but I don't think it would port very well to CoH. There are buffs, debuffs, control, etc and unless you're completely rewriting the way powers work, a lot of them just aren't a good idea if we're no longer differentiating friend from foe. For example: This really breaks down when you start looking at debuff toggles and melee. Under this system, the only way I can affect an enemy with my Rad or Dark debuffs is to also wreck any melee getting close enough to fight it. I'm doing as much harm as good and there's no real strategy to fix that short of just not using my key powers whenever one of several ATs joins the team. It logically makes sense that standing next to someone triggering a nuke should hurt, but I don't see how you could get there without creating an environment that makes anyone who heavily relies on any sort of AoE feel unwelcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0th Power Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 Another quick thought: at the very least ST focused sets would be more valuable. I am Pro-Human I invented Combat Teleport I invented K'ong (More proof here too) Battle Rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaxArcana Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Not something that can be done, without completely wrecking many powersets - and at least one archetype: Mastermind. Yes, my MM can focus all his pets on a single target. But, he cannot tell them not to use their AoEs if a Team-mate gets close to them. Also, when someone is in melee range of the enemy when my Force Bubbles wear off ... they're not getting rebubbled, because then the ENEMY would get bubbled too. ... And what about toggles? Would my Leadership toggle benefit the other guys, too? How about Repulsion Field, am I going to shove the rest of the team off a cliff if I turn it on? Can the Empath use their PBAoE heal to keep the Brute and the Scrapper on their feet, mid-battle, or will he be healing the enemy at the same time? Global Handle: @PaxArcana ... Home servers on Live: Freedom & Virtue ... Home Server on HC: Torchbearer Archetype: Casual Gamer ... Powersets: Forum Melee / Neckbeard ... Kryptonite: Altoholism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Amore Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Friendly fire would mess me all up! Although I guess it would be funny the first time I use my Empathy Defender and get yelled at by my teammates for healing the enemies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Zot Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 /JRanger. I've seen too many games ruined by friendly fire to give that so-called feature any more chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkgob Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Good grief. Literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeeHero Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 7 hours ago, 0th Power said: Not so much a suggestion, but a thought... Would it be possible to have a, to borrow from call of duty, a “hardcore” option? Teams would have to be much more careful of aoes and could lead to a bit more strategy than what we have now. I (think that I) would enjoy this more. I can see the problems of grieving, so there would have to be a solution for that. Like it, hate it, meh? its called being confused, we have it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zolgar Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 If it's an opt-in option on a team, that everyone gets a chance to agree to when they join the team, I could see it being fun on occasion. Over all, I don't think it would have enough of a positive benefit to warrant the effort though. Always happy to answer questions in game, typically hanging around Help. Global is @Zolgar, and tends to be tagged in Help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oubliette_Red Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 So a Dark/Dark Troller and an a Kin/Rad Defender get together in a bar... Troller: What to go wreck a team? Fender: Dislike certain sounds? Silence/Modify specific sounds. Looking for modified whole powerset sfx? Check out Michiyo's modder or Solerverse's thread. Got a punny character? You should share it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voldine Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Oubliette_Red said: So a Dark/Dark Troller and an a Kin/Rad Defender get together in a bar... Troller: What to go wreck a team? Fender: Rad/Rad fender would be even worse. "Gather for AM" while standing over teammate's corpse "Rez on cooldown." *casts FALLOUT instead, teamwipes* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_anger Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 You can pretend friendly fire is in the game, but that your character is just not that stupid to aim at his/her friends. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeeHero Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Like I said we have friendly fire in the form of confusion. if you like it so much go do Avatar of Hamidon in underground and attack during that. I'm sure everyone else will love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srmalloy Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 On 8/14/2019 at 11:45 AM, Tony Amore said: Although I guess it would be funny the first time I use my Empathy Defender and get yelled at by my teammates for healing the enemies. I got yelled at during a MSR on the test server when IOs were being tested; I had a Katana/Regen Scrapper (before the Regen rework making it click), and I got a Touch of Lady Grey: Chance for Negative Energy Damage recipe that I crafted and slotted. It showed up on mouse over as 'Touch of Lady Grey: Chance for Negative... and was bugged to have the abbreviated description be more accurate -- when the proc went off, it did a negative amount of damage to the target, healing it. Not being really concerned about a minor reduction in damage during the beta test, I left it in, and it proc'ed against a tower during the raid. The devs fixed that bug, but slapped in another, making it Touch of Lady Grey: Chance to One-Shot -- when it went off, it would do an outrageous amount of damage. So I went hunting, and found Jurassik. On my first attack, it proc'ed, and I did "6.043E+13" points of damage, dropping him in one hit. As it turned out, I didn't even have the best one-shot damage with it; other players had done much better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Random User Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 On 8/14/2019 at 9:04 AM, 0th Power said: Not so much a suggestion, but a thought... Would it be possible to have a, to borrow from call of duty, a “hardcore” option? Teams would have to be much more careful of aoes and could lead to a bit more strategy than what we have now. I (think that I) would enjoy this more. I can see the problems of grieving, so there would have to be a solution for that. Like it, hate it, meh? Nice to see new players and new ideas. In my personal opinion the suggestion quoted is not a good fit for this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoru-hime Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 12 hours ago, srmalloy said: So I went hunting, and found Jurassik. On my first attack, it proc'ed, and I did "6.043E+13" points of damage, dropping him in one hit. As it turned out, I didn't even have the best one-shot damage with it; other players had done much better. *grumble*grumble* it's always Scrappers that get enough damage enough to require scientific notation... *grumble*grumble* 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0th Power Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 I wanted to take some time to respond to the feedback. Here are my thoughts on yall's thoughts. On 8/14/2019 at 11:08 AM, PaxArcana said: Not something that can be done, without completely wrecking many powersets - and at least one archetype: Mastermind. Yes, my MM can focus all his pets on a single target. But, he cannot tell them not to use their AoEs if a Team-mate gets close to them. Also, when someone is in melee range of the enemy when my Force Bubbles wear off ... they're not getting rebubbled, because then the ENEMY would get bubbled too. ... And what about toggles? Would my Leadership toggle benefit the other guys, too? How about Repulsion Field, am I going to shove the rest of the team off a cliff if I turn it on? Can the Empath use their PBAoE heal to keep the Brute and the Scrapper on their feet, mid-battle, or will he be healing the enemy at the same time? I don't play masterminds, so that thought didn't even enter my head. Definitely something that would be a problem As for the buffs that are now AoE, When I left the game (back in i13ish...) those buffs were single target and I don't play support types a lot either. When it comes to what buff powers would affect enemies and debuff/attacks that would affect team, I think it would be done on a case by case basis. Example - Fireball or the empathy pbaoe heal would hit everyone, but leadership would be team only. On 8/14/2019 at 2:15 PM, Black Zot said: /JRanger. I've seen too many games ruined by friendly fire to give that so-called feature any more chances. I meant this suggestion as an option. Probably the best place it would be the restrictions options screen before a TF/SF/Ouro arc. I would not suggest making this mandatory (with maybe an exception for a badge or two). On 8/15/2019 at 10:26 AM, Zolgar said: If it's an opt-in option on a team, that everyone gets a chance to agree to when they join the team, I could see it being fun on occasion. Over all, I don't think it would have enough of a positive benefit to warrant the effort though. Initially thinking of this i thought of it as a TF/SF/Ouro arc option. I do not think it would be a good idea to change the whole game. Also, I know time and resources are limited. If this would take away from new zones, power sets, or other "more better" things, I would oppose my own idea. On 8/14/2019 at 3:34 PM, ZeeHero said: its called being confused, we have it already. 15 hours ago, ed_anger said: You can pretend friendly fire is in the game, but that your character is just not that stupid to aim at his/her friends. I was really thinking about AoEs hitting teammates adjacent to targets rather than "oops wrong guy." I do think the confused mez is underutilized in the game. 11 hours ago, Some Random User said: Nice to see new players and new ideas. In my personal opinion the suggestion quoted is not a good fit for this game. Not new, I was around from beta to i13ish. I just don't post a whole lot 😊 Thank you to everyone who provided feedback. I am Pro-Human I invented Combat Teleport I invented K'ong (More proof here too) Battle Rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moka Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Sounds like an effin nightmare. I sort of endorse it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WanderingAries Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 That's why they introduced PvP TBH. Give you a place where you can pop in/out of so-called FF. I think we have an arena type thing too right? It's been ages since I've messed with the non-PvE content. 1 OG Server: Pinnacle <||> Current Primary Server: Torchbearer || Also found on the others if desired Installing CoX: Windows || MacOS || MacOS for M1 <||> Migrating Data from an Older Installation Clubs: Mid's Hero Designer || PC Builders || HC Wiki || Jerk Hackers Old Forums <||> Titan Network <||> Heroica! (by @Shenanigunner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Random User Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 hours ago, 0th Power said: Not new, I was around from beta to i13ish. I just don't post a whole lot You are new to the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunkiLord Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I understand why this will never happen, but I f***ing LOVE this idea! Start a farm with 8 Elec/SD characters and it'll be a contest to see who lives the longest. Or maybe make it a special challenge mission or TF! Survival mode to see how long a team can last like this only using AoE attacks and limit the amount of rez. For general gameplay, probably not. But special modes/events this could be a ton of fun. The Trevor Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srmalloy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 7:37 AM, Yoru-hime said: *grumble*grumble* it's always Scrappers that get enough damage enough to require scientific notation... *grumble*grumble* 😉 I was entertained to see that the game rolled over smoothly into scientific notation when it exceeded the integer limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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