Concealment Pool Update: Stealth or Invisibility?

[Jimmy]

Hello everyone!

 

Issue 27: Second Chances, Page 2 released today, and with it came an update to the Concealment pool. Specifically Stealth and Invisibility were merged together:

 

6 hours ago, Jimmy said:

 Stealth

• Stealth radius increased to match the numbers Invisibility had before this patch
  • PvE radius has increased from 36ft to 55ft
  • PvP radius has increased from 389ft to 611ft
• Out of combat defense increased from 3.5% to 7%
  • The defense bonuses suppression in this power has been cleaned up, and will now suppress if the user attacks, heals or buffs an ally, commands a pet, is hit by a foe or the user attacks or interacts with a mission objective
  • In-combat defence is unchanged
• Added a new 'Invisible' customization theme that makes the player barely visible when active

 

The combined power retained the name and icon of Stealth, but we've seen several comments stating that keeping the name and icon of Invisibility would've been preferable, so we thought we'd have a poll to check what the wider community thinks:

 

 Stealth or  Invisibility?

 

Please note: This isn't going to be a binding poll, if convincing arguments are made one way or the other in this thread, we may opt to go with a specific option even if the poll says differently.

[Wavicle]

Sin Visibility

[betsumei]

Invealthability.

[Faultline]

Drax Mode.

 

[BZRKR]

Lock the thread, Faultline has the correct answer 🙂

[Arbegla]

White Shadow.
 

 

[Macchiato]

 

This sums up my thoughts. It doesn't behave quite like Invisibility, it occupies the same position as Stealth, and I'm not in the habit of changing things on such a minor level 'just because', you know? Especially now that it's hit live release - if this discussion was brought up during beta, I'd be a bit less caring.

 

But it's still a bit silly to me anyway, since the words 'Stealth' and 'Invisibility' are not mutually distinct from one another. One is just a more specific term for the other. Overall, I get the impression that the reason people would want the power name to change to Invisibility would be to completely lock in Concealment as an archetypal invisibility power pool. Which, again - I think it's so minor as to not need a change at this point, I don't think it needs the validation when it's already inherently implied, right?

 

This might be a disingenuous example, but it'd be like trying to rename the 'Aid Other' Medicine power to Healing Spray so that we know for a matter of fact that it's a healing spray, even though the weird scanning animation is slightly just loose enough to interpret it differently.

Edited April 20, 2021 by Macchiato

[WanderingAries]

So long as it's better than the modern AAA games where stealth requires you to crouch. 😛

[Bionic_Flea]

Translucent

[MTeague]

"Now You Don't"

[Dythok]

If it was renamed to Invisibility, then people could be confused.  Do they mean Infiltration?  Do they mean new Stealth?  Are they talking about the Illusion Control powers?

I think it's just easier and clearer to just leave it named Stealth.

[Shred Monkey]

Super Sneakiness 

 

[America's Angel]

IMO it should be called Invisibility because "Stealth" is also the name of the power effect.

[PeregrineFalcon]

I voted for Stealth because the power doesn't make your character appear to be invisible.

 

I know, I'm dumb. Imagine wanting the name and the visual effect to match.

[Arbegla]

14 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

I voted for Stealth because the power doesn't make your character appear to be invisible.

 

I know, I'm dumb. Imagine wanting the name and the visual effect to match.

There is a customization option that lets it make you invisible again.

[EgyptoNerd]

Stealth is the power pool as how I interpret it (even if that's not what it's officially called), but invisibility is the end goal effect of this particular power. So I voted invisibility under the caveat that all powers in this pool contribute to stealth activities.

Edited April 20, 2021 by EgyptoNerd

[Ariamaki]

Definitely still Stealth: Invisibility sounds more passive, as if it is a state of being.

Stealth is something you do on purpose.

Invisibility is something you have thrust upon you, say by somebody Granting it.

[PirateCrew]

The "stealth" name, based on its history in-game, implies to me that a second power/stack of the effect would be required to reach full invisibility to typical enemy vision, whether from a stealth IO, Superspeed, or mist/shadow power.  Those powers containing the term "invisibility" - such as Superior/Grant Invisibility and old Invisibility - have provided that protection level in a single power, and the "new stealth" pool power now fits that pattern.

[Luminara]

Considering that everything, up to and including glancing sidelong at the keyboard while briefly considering taking an action, causes the 19' buff to cancel itself, perhaps the appropriate name would be "Invisibility", with the quotation marks, and the icon changed to a couple of hands doing air quotes.

 

 

                                               "Invisibility"

[Rikmach]

Why not call it stealth, and call the new power invisibility?  Or vice versa?  Infiltration isn't exactly descriptive, since it's not tricking people into thinking you're on their side.

[GM Impervium]

Invisteabilth

[Hopestar]

1 hour ago, Luminara said:

Considering that everything, up to and including glancing sidelong at the keyboard while briefly considering taking an action, causes the 19' buff to cancel itself, perhaps the appropriate name would be "Invisibility", with the quotation marks, and the icon changed to a couple of hands doing air quotes.

 

 

                                               "Invisibility"

 

[Hew]

Inevisibility

[UberGuy]

[the_visviva]

Hidey-hidey no-findy.

 

Or is that too long?