Proc Monsters - Tanker Edition

Funkenstein · August 31, 2019

Re read my 1rst post here :

It's combined with secondary and epics : FootStomp + DarkObliteration + Rad Therapy/Ground Zero = only Boss alive.

Thats up to 4 large AoE.

Edited August 31, 2019 by Funkenstein

Sir Myshkin · September 1, 2019

My Tanker Folder is filling up with builds as I work through trying to find the most consistent and best options for a primary that gives the most support for the least amount of slots. @Cipher posted up some very interesting metrics today about power set selections at 50. Took a gander at the Tanker portion and the top two choices weren't much of a surprise. I did find it interesting that Energy Melee was as high up as it was. I will definitely be looking closely as this for focusing on a couple of the "lower favored" sets between the melee classes to see how this process may impact them specifically. While not a 1 for 1 trade off, given what's there, I'm betting the less-chosen sets are the "not as strong" feeling choices people are making.

On 8/31/2019 at 10:59 AM, Funkenstein said:

Re read my 1rst post here :

It's combined with secondary and epics : FootStomp + DarkObliteration + Rad Therapy/Ground Zero = only Boss alive.

Thats up to 4 large AoE.

You're in luck as I will be visiting some time with Radiation Armor specifically for its two AoE effects, but @Hjarki does still have a valid point about efficiency. You are incorporating more than just what Radiation can do on its own in your purview of the set though, and when isolated to just Rad versus Dark, there's certain aspects about the sets themselves that change the dynamic. I'm not going to say one is better than the other for any specific reason, but there are things each can do that are unique compared to the other and can potentially have a significant impact on how they play out.

Keep an open mind about the cross comparison. Procs can change the game.

Sir Myshkin · September 5, 2019

Testing Update

Beta Server is still in mimic mode and hasn't been kicked back over to full unlock mode yet, so bit delayed on moving forward with testing specific builds to their full extremes. I've gotten most of the builds rounded out at this point though, I have 14 15 in total put together, but most likely not going to go through 14 15 total tests. I'm definitely going to run a few specific Primary sets to make sure their "Proc Maximized" approach performs well, and a few builds are going to head out to some folks that "tossed a hat in the ring."

Primary v. Secondary Evaluations

I evaluated as many of the sets as warranted to look for prime resolutions to making the optimal build for a proc paired (and ideally set-bonus-less) secondary. Super Reflexes is definitely the easiest one (whether that was obvious or not) given it takes very little effort to get that build to 45%. Something interesting about SR, is doing it with a Tanker it can hit 59% in a fast hurry, so balancing that down a bit gives some power flexibility. I ended up working Titan Weapons in to SR since it was essentially the only set that allowed the most freedom to mess with Titan and have both extra power choices, and slots.

Slots are definitely the biggest struggle here. Trying to balance out where and how slots get allocated to give the secondary the most breathing room for power selection, the potential to get an effective use out of a few epic powers, and how all the attacks get worked out was an interesting challenge. Some Primary Sets surprised me like Invulnerability, leaving me with a pretty wide margin of slots to use (48), and a couple of situations with Resistance based sets where the shear lack of any defensive powers and heavy defensive slotting left more versatile power choices and a few extra slots to shuffle around. If I was able to hard-cap Resistance values (or get real close), I completely avoided any kind of defense based platform and left the rest of those builds to focus on proc performance beyond that. Electric ended up probably being the easiest to balance out at ~90% across the board. Dark has several gap areas, but if it flips on four toggles and gets hit with a 20% defense shield, it's probably one of the most unkillable options to play.

With each primary I looked at options for a paired secondary that might either compliment, or benefit from the nature of the primary it got paired with. Some choices were natural selections a lot of players already take, so it became more an evaluation of 'how much better do procs make this popular pairing'? I mentioned in a previous post about the "Flavour of the Month" analysis of power set selections and popularity, and how I was going to look towards that for sets to focus on.

What I pulled from that was the top four, and bottom four choices from Tanks, Scrappers, Stalkers, and Brutes. I then pulled the commonalities and made sure that those sets were represented some how.

From the bottom of the Melee class chain for Defensive sets: Ice Armor, Super Reflexes, Energy Armor, Electric Armor, and Dark Armor.

From the top of the Melee class chain for Defensive sets: Bio Armor, Shield Defense, and Willpower

From the bottom of the Melee class chain for Attack sets: Kinetic Melee, Ice Melee, Martial Arts, Battle Axe

From the top of the Melee class chain for Attack sets: Electric Melee, Radiation Melee, Super Strength, and Spines

When I do a final collection of build posts, all of these sets will have some kind of representation. There will also be one non-Tanker build I drop in this process because Tanks don't have Energy Armor (why not?! /em sadface), and I was belligerently insistent on doing a "Strong and Pretty" proc build so there will be a Brute War Mace/Energy Armor among the masses.

Some other specific builds I want to hype up early:

Bio Armor/Energy Melee
- There's already been some floating mentions about Energy Melee getting a more significant review for Melee classes, and not just the Dominator Assault set. No mentions of a when, just that the current "dev team" is "looking into it."
- Energy Melee has a lot of bad history, and I wanted to see what Procs might do to change this set in a meaningful way.
Radiation/Spines
- Talk came up about Radiation's extra AoE capabilities baked into the Primary, and I really wanted to look both at those, and Spines for procs, and see what could be done about making a "Proc Blender." Rad Armor just made the most sense to try this out with.
Super Reflexes/Titan Weapons
- I want to see just what a raw TW Proc Build can do!

Going to toss in some options here because having templates ends up being a big request for some. I grabbed some basic "Blanks" as I was calling them, for a few Primary sets where any Secondary can be dropped into them and proc-loaded. These are (mostly) contained slot options that don't need any (if much of any) extra add ins from the attack set. I only grabbed a few of them:

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Bio Armor Blank:

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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Bio Armor
Secondary Power Set: Energy Melee
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Hardened Carapace -- TtnCtn-ResDam(A), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx(3), HO:Ribo(3), GldArm-3defTpProc(42)
Level 1: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(5), Empty(7), Empty(27), Empty(39), Empty(45)
Level 2: Inexhaustible -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal(5), EndMod-I(40)
Level 4: Environmental Modification -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(7), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Rct-ResDam%(33)
Level 6: Adaptation
Level 8: Ablative Carapace -- Pnc-Heal(A), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(11), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(13)
Level 10: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(21), Empty(21), Empty(23), Empty(23), Empty(29)
Level 12: Evolving Armor -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17), UnbGrd-Max HP%(17)
Level 14: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(34), Empty(34), Empty(34), Empty(37), Empty(39)
Level 16: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(40), Empty(40), Empty(42)
Level 18: DNA Siphon -- Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg(19), EffAdp-EndMod/Rchg(19)
Level 20: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(39), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(45)
Level 22: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 24: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), RctArm-ResDam(25), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(25), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 26: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 28: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(29)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(50), RedFrt-EndRdx(50)
Level 32: Parasitic Aura -- TchoftheN-Acc/Heal(A), TchoftheN-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(33), EffAdp-EndMod/Rchg(33)
Level 35: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(37)
Level 38: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 41: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 44: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(45), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(48)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(48), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(50)
Level 49: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(13), Mrc-Rcvry+(15)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(15)
Level 6: Defensive Adaptation
Level 6: Efficient Adaptation
Level 6: Offensive Adaptation
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Martial Arts
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(13)
Level 1: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(34), Empty(34), Empty(34)
Level 2: Temp Invulnerability -- Ags-ResDam(A), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(3), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Ags-ResDam/Rchg(13)
Level 4: Dull Pain -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(5), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(5), Prv-Heal/Rchg(7), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(7), Prv-Absorb%(9)
Level 6: Resist Elements -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(11), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(33)
Level 8: Unyielding -- HO:Ribo(A), HO:Ribo(9)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(17), RedFrt-EndRdx(17), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(21), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(21), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 12: Resist Energies -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(15), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(23)
Level 14: Tactics -- AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(31)
Level 16: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 18: Invincibility -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), Rct-Def(19), Rct-Def/EndRdx(19), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(25), Rct-ResDam%(31)
Level 20: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(27), Empty(29), Empty(29), Empty(31), Empty(46)
Level 22: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: [Empty] -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Tough Hide -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(27)
Level 28: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(40), Empty(42), Empty(42), Empty(42), Empty(43)
Level 30: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(40)
Level 32: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(37), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(40)
Level 35: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(37)
Level 38: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(43), Empty(45), Empty(45), Empty(45)
Level 41: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(43), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(48), Empty(50)
Level 44: [Empty] -- Empty(A)
Level 47: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(48), Empty(48), Empty(50), Empty(50)
Level 49: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(11)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(15)
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Radiation Melee
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(3), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(3), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(5), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(5), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(7)
Level 1: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(31), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(34)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(7), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Rct-ResDam%(34)
Level 4: True Grit -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(11), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(11), Prv-Heal/Rchg(13), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(13), Prv-Absorb%(15)
Level 6: Active Defense -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 10: Kick -- Acc-I(A)
Level 12: Phalanx Fighting -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(17)
Level 14: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(15), UnbGrd-Max HP%(17)
Level 16: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(19), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(19), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(21), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(21), RedFrt-EndRdx(23)
Level 18: Grant Cover -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 20: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23)
Level 22: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(37)
Level 24: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(48), Empty(48), Empty(50), Empty(50), Empty(50)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Arm-Dmg/Rchg(27), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Arm-Acc/Rchg(29), Arm-Dmg(29), FrcFdb-Rechg%(31)
Level 28: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(45), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(48)
Level 30: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(45), Empty(45)
Level 32: One with the Shield -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A)
Level 35: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(37), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(40)
Level 38: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(40), Empty(40), Empty(42), Empty(42), Empty(42)
Level 41: [Empty] -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(25), Mrc-Rcvry+(25)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(31)
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
Level 50: Ageless Core Epiphany
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Willpower
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping

Hero Profile:
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(9), UnbGrd-Max HP%(9)
Level 1: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(34), Empty(34), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(36)
Level 2: Mind Over Body -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(3), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(7), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7), RctArm-EndRdx(23)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Prv-Absorb%(5)
Level 6: Indomitable Will -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(11), Ksm-ToHit+(45)
Level 8: Rise to the Challenge -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(11), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(13), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(29), Pnc-Heal(31)
Level 10: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Quick Recovery -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(13)
Level 14: Tough -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(15), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(21), RctArm-EndRdx(23)
Level 16: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(17), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(17), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(19), RedFrt-EndRdx(19), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(21)
Level 18: Heightened Senses -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(25), RedFrt-Def(25), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(27), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RedFrt-EndRdx(29)
Level 20: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(37), Empty(37), Empty(37), Empty(40), Empty(42)
Level 22: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(42), Empty(42), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(43)
Level 24: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(50), Empty(50), Empty(50)
Level 26: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 28: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(45)
Level 30: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(31), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(34)
Level 32: Strength of Will -- GldArm-RechRes(A)
Level 35: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(45), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(48)
Level 38: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(40), Empty(40)
Level 41: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(48), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 47: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(3)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(5)
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
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But Mysh, this wall of text and no testing?!

Not quite, I did actually drop a couple of builds onto test to get started, but I didn't want to go crazy encase the server gets wiped on the next load-up, or there's an issue with parsing the unlock of Incarnates on Beta for existing toons.

So what did I test? Shield/Rad. Loaded it up and took it for a spin to start really testing that Contaminated spread and how procs reported back. I have a huge hour long data log to flip through, but I can say early that Procs do, in fact, trigger off the contaminated spread effect. I went around just punching one thing with just Radioactive Smash over and over, and over, and over, to kick those triggers. They're definitely procs floating off the Pseudo Pet that's delivering around Contaminated from the primary target. It pretty much is to the point where I can run in with Irradiated Ground on, put RS on auto-fire, and walk away for a few minutes.

Despite not having access to Musculature or Ageless for testing, it looks like the build is fairly self sustained without the Incarnate tools. I can pretty easily clear 52-54 Rikti spawns in the RWZ within a couple of minutes by bouncing Atomic and Shield Charge. I did collect some footage of this thing plowing through Rikti, and I'll probably put that together once I can do "final" testing after Beta restoration. I did also run out and punch a Pylon, a lot, to get a pretty core time to measure against. Without the incarnate slots unlocked, (so no damage balancing with Musculature, it took me 10:30 to take down a Pylon.

SlimPickens · September 6, 2019

On 9/4/2019 at 11:33 PM, Sir Myshkin said:
Radiation/Spines
Talk came up about Radiation's extra AoE capabilities baked into the Primary, and I really wanted to look both at those, and Spines for procs, and see what could be done about making a "Proc Blender." Rad Armor just made the most sense to try this out with.
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Bio Armor
Secondary Power Set: Energy Melee
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Hardened Carapace -- TtnCtn-ResDam(A), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx(3), HO:Ribo(3), GldArm-3defTpProc(42)
Level 1: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(5), Empty(7), Empty(27), Empty(39), Empty(45)
Level 2: Inexhaustible -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal(5), EndMod-I(40)
Level 4: Environmental Modification -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(7), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Rct-ResDam%(33)
Level 6: Adaptation
Level 8: Ablative Carapace -- Pnc-Heal(A), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(11), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(13)
Level 10: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(21), Empty(21), Empty(23), Empty(23), Empty(29)
Level 12: Evolving Armor -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17), UnbGrd-Max HP%(17)
Level 14: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(34), Empty(34), Empty(34), Empty(37), Empty(39)
Level 16: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(40), Empty(40), Empty(42)
Level 18: DNA Siphon -- Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg(19), EffAdp-EndMod/Rchg(19)
Level 20: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(39), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(45)
Level 22: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 24: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), RctArm-ResDam(25), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(25), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 26: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 28: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(29)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(50), RedFrt-EndRdx(50)
Level 32: Parasitic Aura -- TchoftheN-Acc/Heal(A), TchoftheN-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(33), EffAdp-EndMod/Rchg(33)
Level 35: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(37)
Level 38: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 41: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 44: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(45), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(48)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(48), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(50)
Level 49: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(13), Mrc-Rcvry+(15)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(15)
Level 6: Defensive Adaptation
Level 6: Efficient Adaptation
Level 6: Offensive Adaptation
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Martial Arts
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(13)
Level 1: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(34), Empty(34), Empty(34)
Level 2: Temp Invulnerability -- Ags-ResDam(A), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(3), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Ags-ResDam/Rchg(13)
Level 4: Dull Pain -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(5), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(5), Prv-Heal/Rchg(7), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(7), Prv-Absorb%(9)
Level 6: Resist Elements -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(11), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(33)
Level 8: Unyielding -- HO:Ribo(A), HO:Ribo(9)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(17), RedFrt-EndRdx(17), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(21), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(21), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 12: Resist Energies -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(15), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(23)
Level 14: Tactics -- AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(31)
Level 16: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 18: Invincibility -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), Rct-Def(19), Rct-Def/EndRdx(19), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(25), Rct-ResDam%(31)
Level 20: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(27), Empty(29), Empty(29), Empty(31), Empty(46)
Level 22: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: [Empty] -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Tough Hide -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(27)
Level 28: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(40), Empty(42), Empty(42), Empty(42), Empty(43)
Level 30: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(40)
Level 32: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(37), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(40)
Level 35: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(37)
Level 38: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(43), Empty(45), Empty(45), Empty(45)
Level 41: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(43), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(48), Empty(50)
Level 44: [Empty] -- Empty(A)
Level 47: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(48), Empty(48), Empty(50), Empty(50)
Level 49: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(11)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(15)
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Radiation Melee
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(3), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(3), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(5), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(5), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(7)
Level 1: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(31), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(34)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(7), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Rct-ResDam%(34)
Level 4: True Grit -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(11), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(11), Prv-Heal/Rchg(13), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(13), Prv-Absorb%(15)
Level 6: Active Defense -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 10: Kick -- Acc-I(A)
Level 12: Phalanx Fighting -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(17)
Level 14: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(15), UnbGrd-Max HP%(17)
Level 16: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(19), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(19), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(21), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(21), RedFrt-EndRdx(23)
Level 18: Grant Cover -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 20: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23)
Level 22: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(37)
Level 24: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(48), Empty(48), Empty(50), Empty(50), Empty(50)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Arm-Dmg/Rchg(27), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Arm-Acc/Rchg(29), Arm-Dmg(29), FrcFdb-Rechg%(31)
Level 28: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(45), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(48)
Level 30: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(45), Empty(45)
Level 32: One with the Shield -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A)
Level 35: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(37), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(40)
Level 38: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(40), Empty(40), Empty(42), Empty(42), Empty(42)
Level 41: [Empty] -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(25), Mrc-Rcvry+(25)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(31)
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
Level 50: Ageless Core Epiphany
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Willpower
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping

Hero Profile:
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(9), UnbGrd-Max HP%(9)
Level 1: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(34), Empty(34), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(36)
Level 2: Mind Over Body -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(3), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(7), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7), RctArm-EndRdx(23)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Prv-Absorb%(5)
Level 6: Indomitable Will -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(11), Ksm-ToHit+(45)
Level 8: Rise to the Challenge -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(11), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(13), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(29), Pnc-Heal(31)
Level 10: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Quick Recovery -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(13)
Level 14: Tough -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(15), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(21), RctArm-EndRdx(23)
Level 16: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(17), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(17), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(19), RedFrt-EndRdx(19), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(21)
Level 18: Heightened Senses -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(25), RedFrt-Def(25), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(27), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RedFrt-EndRdx(29)
Level 20: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(37), Empty(37), Empty(37), Empty(40), Empty(42)
Level 22: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(42), Empty(42), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(43)
Level 24: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(50), Empty(50), Empty(50)
Level 26: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 28: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(45)
Level 30: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(31), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(34)
Level 32: Strength of Will -- GldArm-RechRes(A)
Level 35: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(45), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(48)
Level 38: [Empty] -- Empty(A), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(40), Empty(40)
Level 41: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(48), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 47: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(3)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(5)
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I can personally attest to rad melee being a "proc blender" as my live build has irradiated ground fully proc slotted and it simply chews up herds. I tested it with a friend who had traditional damage slotting in his IG, and the results were pretty significant in favor of the procced out version.

Sir Myshkin · September 7, 2019

Status Update

Tanker Testing is officially on hold for approximately a week. Confirmed estimation of time before the server will be wiped (so all current stuff gone, which sucks, but is expected), and the status of things reset to "cheat mode" given "sometime next week."

Leandro · September 7, 2019

I was just pinged by your reply so I noticed the thread. Some of the experimental changes going to the test server next week target tankers, so that might mess up with your plans, although it also means it's a great time to get testing done on tanker changes.

Sir Myshkin · September 7, 2019

3 minutes ago, Leandro said:

I was just pinged by your reply so I noticed the thread. Some of the experimental changes going to the test server next week target tankers, so that might mess up with your plans, although it also means it's a great time to get testing done on tanker changes.

I'd dare say that Tanker changes fit perfectly into my plans! And you'll have a pretty solid play-by-play of them right here 😄

kenlon · September 7, 2019

On 9/4/2019 at 11:33 PM, Sir Myshkin said:

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This is most intriguing, and has me considering revising my expensive planned Inv/EM build using your layout for the armor powers. (It's moderately ludicrous, and has way to many winter enhancements in it, so it's about 900M-1B, even with prices where they are now.)

A couple things, though - one, you saved the build with Invincibility set to 10 enemies, which made me think you'd somehow managed to softcap def with only armor powers and sets, which nearly made my head explode, and two, you can put a pair of Cytoskeleton Exposures in Tactics to get the same end cost and slightly more to-hit without needed to use level boosters on the IOs.

MORE EXTENSIVE EDIT:

On another look, there's some weird choices in this build. The one that stuck out at me was Maneuvers. You've six slotted it, putting in five of Red Fortune, but all that gets you over putting in a three slot LotG is .09% defense (and, admittedly, .09 less end/s, but end really shouldn't be a problem for most secondaries, once slotted.)

Taking those three slots and moving them to Tough Hide and Combat Jumping lets you get two more LotG three-sets. That's 20% regen, 3.4% more HP, and 1.28% defense - and that's with changing the +5 LotG Defense from Tough Hide into a +0, so you can use attuned IOs instead.

There's also the aforementioned Tactics slotting thing, and I don't quite know why you put a fourth piece of Aegis in Temp Invuln. There should be plenty of incidental S/L resist floating around in any tanker build that would free up that slot - just putting in the two ATO sets will push you up over 90%, in fact.

The only other change you might want to consider, if you're not wedded to getting the Preventative Medicine resist and recharge bonuses, is pulling two slots out of that and frankenslotting it with the Heal/Recharge from all the 50 healing sets (Panacea, Numina, Doctored Wounds and Preventative). This actually gives you a slightly faster recharge and nearly identical heal values, while saving you two more slots.

So, here's my proposal for a revised Inv tanker shell- it gets you a bit more defense across the board, still gets you to S/L softcap with nothing but the Tanker ATOs, has higher regen and barely higher HP total, and has a little extra to-hit to boot. And you go from 39 free enhancement slots to 42. The only things you lose are 13.75% recharge (from losing the Preventative Medicine and Red Fortune sets, slightly higher end-drain (from .98 to 1.1/s), +2% damage and 3.8% global EndRdx.

Personally, I've always had more trouble getting all the enhancement slots I want for attack powers on my Inv tankers, so every free enhancement slot is golden. Even if it's not being used for your proc monster build, I suspect this sort of template could be very handy for a lot of people, so thanks for putting it out there.

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HastenInv Template: Level 50 Magic Tanker

Primary Power Set: Invulnerability

Secondary Power Set: Martial Arts

Power Pool: Leadership

Power Pool: Speed

Power Pool: Leaping

Hero Profile:

Level 1: Resist Physical Damage

Level 2: Temp Invulnerability

Level 22: [Empty]

Level 24: [Empty]

Level 26: Tough Hide

Level 30: [Empty]

Level 32: [Empty]

Level 35: [Empty]

Level 38: [Empty]

Level 41: [Empty]

Level 44: [Empty]

Level 47: [Empty]

Level 49: Combat Jumping

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

Level 2: Swift

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(13) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 1: [Empty]

(A) Aegis - Resistance
(3) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
(13) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge

Level 4: Dull Pain

(A) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
(5) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge
(5) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
(7) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime

Level 6: Resist Elements

(A) Reactive Armor - Resistance
(11) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
(33) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge

Level 8: Unyielding

(A) HamiO:Ribosome Exposure
(9) HamiO:Ribosome Exposure

Level 10: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(17) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(17) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 12: Resist Energies

(A) Reactive Armor - Resistance
(15) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
(23) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge

Level 14: Tactics

(A) HamiO:Cytoskeleton Exposure
(31) HamiO:Cytoskeleton Exposure

Level 16: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(21) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 18: Invincibility

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(19) Reactive Defenses - Defense
(19) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance
(25) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
(31) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage

Level 20: [Empty]

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(27) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(29) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 28: [Empty]

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 1: Brawl

(A) Empty

Level 1: Gauntlet

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

(A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Empty

Level 2: Rest

(A) Empty

Level 4: Ninja Run

(A) Run Speed IO

Level 2: Health

(A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance
(11) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 2: Hurdle

(A) Jumping IO

Level 2: Stamina

(A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(15) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

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Sir Myshkin · September 8, 2019

18 hours ago, kenlon said:

So, here's my proposal for a revised Inv tanker shell- it gets you a bit more defense across the board, still gets you to S/L softcap with nothing but the Tanker ATOs, has higher regen and barely higher HP total, and has a little extra to-hit to boot. And you go from 39 free enhancement slots to 42. The only things you lose are 13.75% recharge (from losing the Preventative Medicine and Red Fortune sets, slightly higher end-drain (from .98 to 1.1/s), +2% damage and 3.8% global EndRdx.

The thing is, it's all about those +Recharge bonuses. When looking at a proc-focused build, you can't rely on set bonuses coming out of the powers you'll be significantly stacking procs in to, so if we need to hunt down recharge, it has to be in the areas where set bonuses are possible, and that's in the Primary for Tankers. Unfortunately the very fact that you pulled out nearly 14% global recharge invalidates the changes, and makes them not possible to accept. This is the reason that there are the 7.5% LotG and a 5-set of Red Forturnes, specifically for the extra 5% Recharge and no other reason.

The idea behind leveraging procs in the attacks is not having any recharge enhancements in those abilities, which means no set bonuses coming from there. As for the ATO's the only portion of any of those that can be leveraged in a few places are four pieces from the 'Might of the Tanker' set to get the extra 10% Recharge.

kenlon · September 8, 2019

3 hours ago, Sir Myshkin said:

The thing is, it's all about those +Recharge bonuses. When looking at a proc-focused build, you can't rely on set bonuses coming out of the powers you'll be significantly stacking procs in to, so if we need to hunt down recharge, it has to be in the areas where set bonuses are possible, and that's in the Primary for Tankers. Unfortunately the very fact that you pulled out nearly 14% global recharge invalidates the changes, and makes them not possible to accept. This is the reason that there are the 7.5% LotG and a 5-set of Red Forturnes, specifically for the extra 5% Recharge and no other reason.

The idea behind leveraging procs in the attacks is not having any recharge enhancements in those abilities, which means no set bonuses coming from there. As for the ATO's the only portion of any of those that can be leveraged in a few places are four pieces from the 'Might of the Tanker' set to get the extra 10% Recharge.

I knew you were hunting recharge, but I figure the core of a Tanker is to be able to take hits, and thus any build is going to have to balance hitting the defensive targets needed with taking procs to increase damage. If you decide that you need those recharge bonuses, it just takes you from 42 open enhancement slots down to 37, and you still are better set for tanking than you were before.

Myrmidon · September 10, 2019

On 9/7/2019 at 12:55 AM, Leandro said:

I was just pinged by your reply so I noticed the thread. Some of the experimental changes going to the test server next week target tankers, so that might mess up with your plans, although it also means it's a great time to get testing done on tanker changes.

Now, THIS is something that I am looking forward to.

Bopper · September 11, 2019

Welp, the tanker changes on Beta sure puts a wrench into this testing. Not sure how long until the changes go live, so whatever is discovered will be TBD. Also, everything tested won't necessarily go live, so that makes any potential findings inconclusive.

As for the changes, the increase in endurance would certainly benefit a proc build. However the increase in damage cap and base damage helps a traditional build.

The changes to AoE will help a proc build, as I suspect the base values will stay the same (boost range should not change ppm calculations). So having an 8 foot aura hitting in a 16 foot radius is definitely nice.

Sir Myshkin · September 12, 2019

6 hours ago, Bopper said:

The changes to AoE will help a proc build, as I suspect the base values will stay the same (boost range should not change ppm calculations). So having an 8 foot aura hitting in a 16 foot radius is definitely nice.

This does pose an interesting question on how they set that formula up. When does it check for the proc chance, and which modification is it going to use. I don't recall seeing this in the initial discussion but... that one particular thread got kinda crazy long in a hurry with folks' opinions so if anything updated on that, I didn't catch it. If it checks and validates, then extends, or extends, then checks and validates. I mean, in general that's kind of weird...

I don't feel the evaluation will change too much though, as an overall. The damage buff isn't bad, but I already did most of my planning around the idea of making sure there were both reasonable damage enhancement (90-110%), and procs on top of that so that each power was ideally maxed. This update just adds more "oompf" now. Will semi invalidate a bit though for what changes don't go through.

Couthless · September 13, 2019

On 9/12/2019 at 6:38 AM, Bopper said:

The changes to AoE will help a proc build, as I suspect the base values will stay the same (boost range should not change ppm calculations). So having an 8 foot aura hitting in a 16 foot radius is definitely nice.

The changes to Bruising will hurt a proc build a lot too, so it all comes out a wash really.

Sir Myshkin · September 14, 2019

Minor update:

Yes the Tanker changes on the test server hit, but shortly after a change was made in trying to instance the Rikti Mothership Raid that has Pylon's now spiked to level 54, which dramatically changes that aspect of my testing for simple ST performance scales. I had also still been under the weather for a bit so I couldn't jump into the test server immediately after the patch, and thus missed my small original window of opportunity. I do have a pile of stuff that's been completed, but I wanted to keep things concise and together without separating data sets. If the Pylons don't get corrected shortly, I'll withhold that aspect for the time being and post what I do have for a few builds.

For those who requested to help test builds, I'll be shooting those out. If there were any others that wanted to take some stuff for a test drive, shoot me a message. I know the current dev team would appreciate any mileage they can get out of Tanks right now.

Sir Myshkin · September 16, 2019

Tanker Testing: Update #2

Shield Defense/Radiation Melee:

There were a couple of sets that I started doing preliminary testing on at the beginning of September before Justin became a Pineapple, and ~~Rikti Pylons became viscous player hating towers~~ actually they've kinda always been that. We expect, and somewhat know that most cases of what gets tested here for Tanks is mechanics we have certainty that work at this point. Melee attacks are an aspect of one of the most prolific parts of the game, and a lot of people plug in procs here and there and get a lot of random experience with them, but typically no one is shoving all the procs in at once, like we are here. This becomes more a test of "what happens when I overfill the cookie jar."

Incidentally, there is something odd going on with Irradiated Ground that is demonstrating inconsistencies with how it handles reporting back on procs like the -Res ones. When monitoring Pylon times I came across several concerns to the point where I recorded just that single powers interactions on a single target and caught irregularities in the duration of its debuffs (cutting short). While concerning as there's no pattern or warranted excuse for the error, the procs still do go off at a considerable rate. I will be reviewing video from Pineapple with Irradiated Grounds running and contrast to see if the problem persists as I assume it will.

For survival, of course many of these Tank primaries are going to do well, they're Tanks, they're built for it! Well, to a degree, I'm bending builds to do everything within just one half of my slot options. Still, Shield is definitely an easy set to reach target goals with, and was incredibly self sustaining. My initial testing for SD/Rad was without any Incarnates what-so-ever due to the restrictions when test was still 'Justin.' I ended up recording some of that prelim survival before an attempted Pylon run, and have parsed it into a little >5:00 video 🙂 I compressed the Pylon time down though as it is 10:30's of my bashing on a bag of HP until it dies. This footage gave for a nice contrast against pre and post Tank changes, too, as I now have a post-pineapple SD/Rad put together. I did a few alterations to power choices since I wasn't stuck taking Contaminated Strike, and tossed in Gloom for a ranged, strong ST attack. I know I said earlier that the situations with Pylons were hindering things, but I decided to do a one-off contrast and beat down a level 54 Pylon with this build. It came back with a 13:09 time.

Yeah, that's longer, what the heck, right? Well, slow down that thought train a bit. The Pylons were set as "Objects" scaled to a level, when we went and punched them before the game just treated them as a level 50 even-con. The "bug" (if we're calling it that) currently altering the chemistry of Pylons into 54 meanies is causing a scaling issue. Damage got reduced to about 5/8ths of the original impact, and all debuffs were also reduced (-13% for the -Res compared to -20 before). The fact that I still managed that time is worth merit in the bump in damage. I'm estimating that a corrected time for the Pylons, on this particular build, should be more around 8:00 give or take 0:30. I will also note that this, of course, included incarnates in the mix; a T4 Musculature, Degen, and Hybrid Assault Cores.

For a bit of contrast, I took some numbers out of the game:

Radiation Siphon and Devastating Blow w/ Musculature T4 Core against a 52 Rikti:

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2019-09-15 22:04:56 You hit Chief Soldier with your Radiation Siphon for 47.43 points of Smashing damage.

2019-09-15 22:04:56 You hit Chief Soldier with your Radiation Siphon for 142.3 points of Energy damage.

2019-09-15 22:04:56 You hit Chief Soldier with your Gladiator's Strike: Chance for Smashing Damage for 53.33 points of Smashing damage.

2019-09-15 22:04:56 You hit Chief Soldier with your Touch of Lady Grey: Chance for Negative Energy Damage for 76.19 points of Negative Energy damage.

2019-09-15 22:04:56 You hit Chief Soldier with your Mako's Bite: Chance for Lethal Damage for 53.33 points of Lethal damage.

2019-09-15 22:04:52 You hit Chief Soldier with your Devastating Blow for 66.15 points of Smashing damage.

2019-09-15 22:04:52 You hit Chief Soldier with your Devastating Blow for 198.47 points of Energy damage.

2019-09-15 22:04:52 You Stun Chief Soldier with your Devastating Blow.

2019-09-15 22:04:52 You hit Chief Soldier with your Gladiator's Strike: Chance for Smashing Damage for 45.19 points of Smashing damage.

2019-09-15 22:04:52 You hit Chief Soldier with your Touch of Lady Grey: Chance for Negative Energy Damage for 64.57 points of Negative Energy damage.

2019-09-15 22:04:52 You hit Chief Soldier with your Mako's Bite: Chance for Lethal Damage for 45.19 points of Lethal damage.

Without T4 Musculature against 52 Rikti:

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2019-09-15 22:06:39 You hit Chief Soldier with your Radiation Siphon for 34.8 points of Smashing damage.

2019-09-15 22:06:39 You hit Chief Soldier with your Radiation Siphon for 104.42 points of Energy damage.

2019-09-15 22:06:39 You hit Chief Soldier with your Touch of Lady Grey: Chance for Negative Energy Damage for 66.57 points of Negative Energy damage.

2019-09-15 22:06:39 You hit Chief Soldier with your Touch of the Nictus: Chance for Negative Energy Damage for 66.57 points of Negative Energy damage.

2019-09-15 22:06:39 You hit Chief Soldier with your Mako's Bite: Chance for Lethal Damage for 46.6 points of Lethal damage.

2019-09-15 22:07:03 You hit Chief Mesmerist with your Devastating Blow for 62.57 points of Smashing damage.

2019-09-15 22:07:03 You hit Chief Mesmerist with your Devastating Blow for 187.74 points of Energy damage.

2019-09-15 22:07:03 You Stun Chief Mesmerist with your Devastating Blow.

2019-09-15 22:07:03 You hit Chief Mesmerist with your Gladiator's Strike: Chance for Smashing Damage for 53.03 points of Smashing damage.

2019-09-15 22:07:03 You hit Chief Mesmerist with your Touch of Lady Grey: Chance for Negative Energy Damage for 75.76 points of Negative Energy damage.

2019-09-15 22:07:03 You hit Chief Mesmerist with your Mako's Bite: Chance for Lethal Damage for 53.03 points of Lethal damage.

2019-09-15 22:07:03 You hit Chief Mesmerist with your Hecatomb: Chance for Negative Energy Damage for 113.08 points of Negative Energy damage.

Some contrast to that from Pre-Pineapple:

Radiation Siphon was hitting for 40.23/120.7 + ~65 on basic procs

Devastating Blow was hitting for 56.28/168.86

We're definitely not talking about a huge difference, but one that matters on an over-time scale. Proc based builds definitely benefitted more with Bruising than without, however: Even if a slight shift in power gives the Tank more "consistent" overall damage, we were really bent on maxing the given opportunities, and having -Res boost the scale of Procs was nice to have when it came to ST foes. However, as a holistic picture, it probably doesn't matter to loose it because we weren't getting that initial -20% set up on every single target we punched, so things like AoE's weren't every really going to benefit from it. Given that, the loss of Bruising isn't likely to be much, grand-picture.

Stealth Edit Add:

Proc Choices

Some notes I forgot I wanted to add, on terms of the powers within the set. Since Radiation Melee does have a -Def component, we get access to another puddle of Procs, and the Achilles Heel -Res. Irradiated Ground can technically take this proc, and it does pop a lot within that power, but I've come to the determination that carrying it within a ST power like Radioactive Smash is kind of necessary to keep at least that one -Res proc more consistent, giving Tanks the chance to maintain that unique aspect of debuff still.

Devastating Blow is likely going to need a smidgen of Recharge to bring it within line for an effective attack chain. I dropped the Acc/Dam/Rech Hecatomb in as it doesn't need to be much, just a hair to get it in line with a full chain of RS>Gloom>RS>DB without much of a gap (a hair at the tail end off Ageless that gets filled with Fusion and Hasten a lot).

Nearly all of the attacks can be crammed with four procs, and perform well with that many shoved in and appropriate balance given to the last two slots to pack in a little Acc/Dam/End into them.

Because Irradiated Ground re-drops itself every 5/s, packing it with some extra damage procs ends up being well-worth the investment because it gets that trigger chance each drop. Beyond that it doesn't seem like that Pseudo-pet ever has accuracy issues, so just using a single End Redux with five procs seems to be working out just fine. I haven't come across too much of an issue otherwise. I'll probably do a separate to-hit check validation to make sure, but... damage still showed a ton so!

Energy Melee & Bio Armor

Lets talk about Energy Melee, that wonderfully infamous set that so many folks try and play, and so many more hate to play. I got an opportunity to really sit down and just muck-about with EM on Justin (what else did I have to do). Procs transform this set in a beautiful way. Not saying they don't do beneficial things for other sets, but they really drag this set forward on the scale of "is this viable right now?"

I posted some early info on another thread in the Brute sub section talking about a bit of the secret that is Proc-EM.

Bone Smasher:

Spoiler

2019-08-27 23:46:58 HIT Chief Mentalist! Your Bone Smasher power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 7.17.
2019-08-27 23:46:58 You smash Chief Mentalist with your mighty Bone Smasher for 50.81 points of smashing damage!
2019-08-27 23:46:58 You smash Chief Mentalist with your mighty Bone Smasher for an additional 32.52 points of energy damage!
2019-08-27 23:46:58 You stun Chief Mentalist with your Bone Smasher!
2019-08-27 23:46:58 Chief Mentalist takes 24.1 points of bonus psionic damage!
2019-08-27 23:46:58 You hit Chief Mentalist for 24.1 points of bonus Smashing damage!
2019-08-27 23:46:58 You blast Chief Mentalist for 34.43 points of bonus negative energy damage!
2019-08-27 23:46:58 Your Offensive Adaptation hits for 8.75 points of Toxic damage!

Whirling Hands:

Spoiler

2019-08-27 23:46:59 You activated the Whirling Hands power.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 HIT Chief Soldier! Your Whirling Hands power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 4.63.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 HIT Chief Soldier! Your Whirling Hands power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 58.92.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 HIT Communications Officer! Your Whirling Hands power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 11.31.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 HIT Chief Mentalist! Your Whirling Hands power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 78.47.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 HIT Conscript! Your Whirling Hands power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 21.52.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You launch Whirling Hands dealing 34.19 points of smashing damage to Chief Soldier.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You launch Whirling Hands dealing an additional 22.79 points of energy damage to Chief Soldier.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Chief Soldier takes 37.87 points of bonus psionic damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You crush Chief Soldier for 26.51 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Chief Soldier bleeds for 26.51 points of bonus lethal damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You blast Chief Soldier for 56.53 points of bonus fire damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Your Offensive Adaptation hits for 6.93 points of Toxic damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You launch Whirling Hands dealing 31.08 points of smashing damage to Chief Mentalist.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You launch Whirling Hands dealing an additional 20.72 points of energy damage to Chief Mentalist.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You stun Chief Mentalist with your Whirling Hands!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You crush Chief Mentalist for 24.1 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Chief Mentalist bleeds for 24.1 points of bonus lethal damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You blast Chief Mentalist for 51.39 points of bonus fire damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Your Offensive Adaptation hits for 6.3 points of Toxic damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You launch Whirling Hands dealing 48.84 points of smashing damage to Communications Officer.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You launch Whirling Hands dealing an additional 32.56 points of energy damage to Communications Officer.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Communications Officer takes 37.87 points of bonus psionic damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You crush Communications Officer for 37.87 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Communications Officer bleeds for 37.87 points of bonus lethal damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Your Offensive Adaptation hits for 6.93 points of Toxic damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You launch Whirling Hands dealing 34.19 points of smashing damage to Chief Soldier.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You launch Whirling Hands dealing an additional 22.79 points of energy damage to Chief Soldier.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You crush Chief Soldier for 26.51 points of bonus smashing damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Chief Soldier bleeds for 26.51 points of bonus lethal damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You blast Chief Soldier for 56.53 points of bonus fire damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Your Offensive Adaptation hits for 6.93 points of Toxic damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You launch Whirling Hands dealing 48.84 points of smashing damage to Conscript.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 You launch Whirling Hands dealing an additional 32.56 points of energy damage to Conscript.
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Conscript takes 37.87 points of bonus psionic damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Conscript bleeds for 37.87 points of bonus lethal damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:00 Your Offensive Adaptation hits for 6.93 points of Toxic damage!

Energy Transfer:

Spoiler

2019-08-27 23:47:03 You activated the Energy Transfer power.
2019-08-27 23:47:05 HIT Chief Mentalist! Your Energy Transfer power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 19.94.
2019-08-27 23:47:05 Your Energy Transfer deals 68.68 points of smashing damage to Chief Mentalist.
2019-08-27 23:47:05 Your Energy Transfer drains some life from yourself to deal an extra 132.09 points of energy damage to Chief Mentalist.
2019-08-27 23:47:05 You stun Chief Mentalist with your Energy Transfer!
2019-08-27 23:47:05 Chief Mentalist takes 27.3 points of bonus psionic damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:05 You hit Chief Mentalist for 27.3 points of bonus Lethal damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:05 You hit Chief Mentalist for 27.3 points of bonus Smashing damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:05 You blast Chief Mentalist for 39.01 points of bonus negative energy damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:05 Your Offensive Adaptation hits for 21.52 points of Toxic damage!
2019-08-27 23:47:05 You have defeated Chief Mentalist

Including this piece too, for comparison against a Pylon at "even con" with basic resistances:

2019-09-04 00:12:14 Your Energy Transfer deals 207.64 points of smashing damage to Rikti Pylon.
2019-09-04 00:12:14 Your Energy Transfer drains some life from yourself to deal an extra 399.32 points of energy damage to Rikti Pylon.
2019-09-04 00:12:14 You stun Rikti Pylon with your Energy Transfer!
2019-09-04 00:12:14 Rikti Pylon takes 63.13 points of bonus psionic damage!
2019-09-04 00:12:14 You hit Rikti Pylon for 63.13 points of bonus Lethal damage!
2019-09-04 00:12:14 You hit Rikti Pylon for 63.13 points of bonus Smashing damage!
2019-09-04 00:12:14 You blast Rikti Pylon for 63.13 points of bonus negative energy damage!
2019-09-04 00:12:14 Your Offensive Adaptation hits for 34.83 points of Toxic damage!

894.31 Damage

This is being done without Musculature padding the remainder of the damage enhancement that puts the attacks from 60-70% up to 110-120% for their personal damage too. I couldn't even begin to explain it, but I don't think there was a circumstance I didn't just see proc numbers constantly floating above heads with Whirling Hands. And Energy Transfer hitting for 894 (!), with the extra value added in that should crack 1,000 points. On a Tank. That's firing off 300 points of damage in procs alone which is half of what the power hit for to begin with! Add in the combination of Bio Armor to push up some additional +Dam values, and this thing was actually really fun to kite around the RWZ with punching things into oblivion. Energy Punch, Bone Smasher, Whirling Hands, Energy Transfer, and Total Focus were all hitting like trucks, and it was just a glorious day for Energy Melee. I wont say that the set may, or may not still need reviewed, but Procs definitely change the landscape of this power set in a pretty big way.

If we get our normal Pylons back in the RWZ on Pineapple, I'll likely revisit SD/RM and take Bio/EM for a run against them. One to get the former another metric to scale against, and the latter to see what Proc-EM can do! If someone was adventurous enough to build one on the living server, I'd encourage the effort.

Shield Defense/Radiation Melee/Soul Mastery Build:

Footnote to add, Mid's doesn't reflect Pineapple conditions, obviously, so Contaminated Strike (in the build) was actually Radioactive Smash, but slotted as CS is.

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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Radiation Melee
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(3), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(3), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(5), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(5), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(7)
Level 1: Contaminated Strike -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(31), Mk'Bit-Dam%(33), TchofLadG-%Dam(33), PrfZng-Dam%(33), AchHee-ResDeb%(34)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(7), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Rct-ResDam%(34)
Level 4: True Grit -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(11), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(11), Prv-Heal/Rchg(13), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(13), Prv-Absorb%(15)
Level 6: Active Defense -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 10: Kick -- Acc-I(A)
Level 12: Phalanx Fighting -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(17)
Level 14: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(15), UnbGrd-Max HP%(17)
Level 16: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(19), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(19), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(21), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(21), RedFrt-EndRdx(23)
Level 18: Grant Cover -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 20: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23)
Level 22: Radiation Siphon -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Mk'Bit-Dam%(36), TchofLadG-%Dam(36), GldStr-%Dam(37), TchoftheN-%Dam(37)
Level 24: Fusion -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(48), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(48), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(50), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(50), GssSynFr--Build%(50)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Arm-Dmg/Rchg(27), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Arm-Acc/Rchg(29), Arm-Dmg(29), FrcFdb-Rechg%(31)
Level 28: Irradiated Ground -- EndRdx-I(A), Obl-%Dam(45), ShlBrk-%Dam(46), TchofLadG-%Dam(46), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(46), AchHee-ResDeb%(48)
Level 30: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 32: One with the Shield -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A)
Level 35: Devastating Blow -- Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(37), TchofLadG-%Dam(39), Mk'Bit-Dam%(39), GldStr-%Dam(39), Hct-Dam%(40)
Level 38: Atom Smasher -- SprMghoft-Rchg/Res%(A), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg(40), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), SprMghoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Arm-Dam%(42), TchofLadG-%Dam(42)
Level 41: Gloom -- Apc-Dmg(A), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Apc-Acc/Rchg(43), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Apc-Dam%(45), GldJvl-Dam%(45)
Level 44: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Taunt -- PrfZng-Dam%(A)
Level 49: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(25), Mrc-Rcvry+(25)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(31)
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
Level 50: Ageless Core Epiphany
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Bio Armor/Energy Melee/Pyre Mastery Build:

Footnote to add, this is as was tested (and currently functions on the living server). In the advent of the Pineapple server conditions for Tank Testing, Barrage would get swapped with Energy Punch, and then that opened power slot would get replaced with Total Focus. In my initial test I wanted to try a build using Char, and even though it is a bit longer recharge and lower base damage, it hit(s) like a truck on its own and probably (even with the test changes) has more consistent value than Total Focus because it animates in a third the time.

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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Bio Armor
Secondary Power Set: Energy Melee
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Pyre Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Hardened Carapace -- TtnCtn-ResDam(A), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx(3), HO:Ribo(3), GldArm-3defTpProc(42)
Level 1: Barrage -- SprMghoft-Rchg/Res%(A), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg(5), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), SprMghoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27), Mk'Bit-Dam%(39), PrfZng-Dam%(45)
Level 2: Inexhaustible -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal(5), EndMod-I(40)
Level 4: Environmental Modification -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(7), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/Rchg(9), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Rct-ResDam%(33)
Level 6: Adaptation
Level 8: Ablative Carapace -- Pnc-Heal(A), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(11), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(13)
Level 10: Energy Punch -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(21), Mk'Bit-Dam%(21), GldStr-%Dam(23), Hct-Dam%(23), PrfZng-Dam%(29)
Level 12: Evolving Armor -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17), UnbGrd-Max HP%(17)
Level 14: Bone Smasher -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(34), TchofDth-Dam%(34), Mk'Bit-Dam%(34), GldStr-%Dam(37), PrfZng-Dam%(39)
Level 16: Taunt -- PrfZng-Dam%(A), PrfZng-Taunt/Rng(40), PrfZng-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(40), PrfZng-Taunt/Rchg(42)
Level 18: DNA Siphon -- Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg(19), EffAdp-EndMod/Rchg(19)
Level 20: Whirling Hands -- Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(A), ScrDrv-Acc/Dmg(39), ScrDrv-Dam%(43), PrfZng-Dam%(43), Obl-%Dam(43), Arm-Dam%(45)
Level 22: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 24: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), RctArm-ResDam(25), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(25), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 26: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 28: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A), GssSynFr--Build%(29)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(50), RedFrt-EndRdx(50)
Level 32: Parasitic Aura -- TchoftheN-Acc/Heal(A), TchoftheN-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(33), EffAdp-EndMod/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Energy Transfer -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(36), TchofDth-Dam%(36), Mk'Bit-Dam%(36), GldStr-%Dam(37), PrfZng-Dam%(37)
Level 38: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 41: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 44: Char -- Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(45), GldJvl-Dam%(46), Apc-Dam%(46), GldNet-Dam%(46), UnbCns-Dam%(48)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(48), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(50)
Level 49: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(13), Mrc-Rcvry+(15)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(15)
Level 6: Defensive Adaptation
Level 6: Efficient Adaptation
Level 6: Offensive Adaptation
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
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Last But Not Least A little video of running around as an SD/RM/Soul Tank on Pineapple:

Edited September 16, 2019 by Sir Myshkin
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Troo · September 17, 2019

Gold star! Very, very interesting Energy Melee info.

While likely not going to change slotting on Energy Transfer or Total Focus, I will totally try re-slotting Whirling Hands and leaping's Spring Attack for a damage dealing boost.

Troo · September 18, 2019

That should have been "Gold star! (as always!!)"

This research and testing is greatly appreciated. It opens up a lot of variety and options.

Thank you,

-back to lurking

Sir Myshkin · September 23, 2019

Tanker Testing Update #2.1

Remember not that long ago (Monday, it was last Monday) when I said I traveled into the RWZ and bloodily beat a level 54 Pylon to arrest and it took 13:09 and I speculated that a normal-conditioned Pylon would probably happen in 7:00-8:00 minutes?

Remember that?

I was wrong. I was really, really wrong. I did it in 3:40.

/em wait for the record scratch.

So yeah, hopped back on with the same build, loaded in near a Pylon and jumped on it; heck I didn't even pre-load Ageless! Started bashing away and realized that the HP bar was shrinking something awful fast, and Ageless still hadn't refreshed, and then it did, and then the Pylon exploded and I went "...huh." Figured I'd try it again with Hybrid on, see what happens. Repeated success, faster time. The test changes for Tanks made a pretty incredible bump in their ST performance, I'd say that's pretty straight forwardly apparent right now. Of course it wouldn't be fair of me to not include a video, for posterity.

Now that Pylons are restored, I'm going to revisit this aspect of the testing with Bio/EM and also talk about some of the results that have come back in regards to Ice/Stone (Leviathan and Soul) thanks to legwork from @Rylas.

TungstenShark · September 23, 2019

Looking forward to hearing more! Thanks @Sir Myshkin and @Rylas for putting in the work.

I was expecting something like DA/Rad to benefit from the proc philosophy, but would not have considered SD. Also encouraging to hear EM has shown well thus far. Excellent!

Caulderone · September 23, 2019

16 hours ago, Sir Myshkin said:

Tanker Testing Update #2.1

Remember not that long ago (Monday, it was last Monday) when I said I traveled into the RWZ and bloodily beat a level 54 Pylon to arrest and it took 13:09 and I speculated that a normal-conditioned Pylon would probably happen in 7:00-8:00 minutes?

Remember that?

I was wrong. I was really, really wrong. I did it in 3:40.

/em wait for the record scratch.

I noticed you had the Tier 2 power and not the Tier 1 Contaminated Strike. Now that they have unswapped the T1 and T2, how much does that change things?

Lifeblood2112 · September 24, 2019

" especially considering Agility and Spiritual both negatively impact proc probability. " Can you elaborate on this please?

Bopper · September 24, 2019

21 minutes ago, Lifeblood2112 said:

" especially considering Agility and Spiritual both negatively impact proc probability. " Can you elaborate on this please?

They count as a recharge enhancement, which lowers the probability of your procs triggering. You can read about it in the Procs Per Minute Information Guide in the Guides Forum (also, link is in my signature block). There you will find the formulas that explain this.

Sir Myshkin · September 24, 2019

4 hours ago, Caulderone said:

I noticed you had the Tier 2 power and not the Tier 1 Contaminated Strike. Now that they have unswapped the T1 and T2, how much does that change things?

Technically, from a raw standpoint on the power itself, Contaminated Strike actually has a slightly better DPA over Radioactive Smash (54 vs 52), but in practical use, Smash has a higher chance to trigger Contaminated which makes it the better power. The difference between them in a ST scenario is pretty slim, and they can be slotted the same way. What's interesting is that Strike--due to its shorter animation time--would result in a gap in the normal attack chain as is, if I double it up to fill that gap, it reduces DPS even further. Running it with a .5-.7/s gap is safer than over-extending by .4/s.

I suspect that Strike over Smash would end up closer to a 4:00 time. I can't honestly see a super-huge reason to try and cram an additional attack into the build just to get a slightly-better performing ST Containment trigger when the build carries Shield Charge (an AoE so good that it can be justified to splash into a ST chain).

Sovera · September 24, 2019

11 hours ago, Sir Myshkin said:

Technically, from a raw standpoint on the power itself, Contaminated Strike actually has a slightly better DPA over Radioactive Smash (54 vs 52), but in practical use, Smash has a higher chance to trigger Contaminated which makes it the better power. The difference between them in a ST scenario is pretty slim, and they can be slotted the same way. What's interesting is that Strike--due to its shorter animation time--would result in a gap in the normal attack chain as is, if I double it up to fill that gap, it reduces DPS even further. Running it with a .5-.7/s gap is safer than over-extending by .4/s.

I suspect that Strike over Smash would end up closer to a 4:00 time. I can't honestly see a super-huge reason to try and cram an additional attack into the build just to get a slightly-better performing ST Containment trigger when the build carries Shield Charge (an AoE so good that it can be justified to splash into a ST chain).

Your 3 minute times with the PTS tanker energy melee are still better than my PTS rad tanker. I only got four minutes as I posted on the Pylon thread. It seems to me like Irradiated Ground would be better served with some accuracy slotted in instead of 6 procs.

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