Let's Talk About: Group Fly

[Ael]

8 hours ago, boggo2300 said:

I don't because I've never seen it used

That's fine. I have and I dislike it being used around me.

[Scientist]

Does Group Fly still impose a -tohit (or -acc, sometimes the game description isn't as accurate as it should be) debuff on anyone in it?  

[Menelruin]

I agree that it should just have a longer warning period.  Have it work like this:

 

Imagine you had a PBAoE buff, akin to Healing Aura, but it granted Flight for X amount of seconds.  Now imagine that it was auto-cast with a cooldown of a few seconds.

 

Okay, that final effect?  Make it so you get it from a toggle.  That's how it should be.

[Gravitus]

On 11/4/2019 at 2:37 PM, Scientist said:

Does Group Fly still impose a -tohit (or -acc, sometimes the game description isn't as accurate as it should be) debuff on anyone in it?  

No

[Communistpenguin]

How about have it a power that pulses and grants a timed fly buff to everyone inside its pulse range. Then just have it pulse once a second and have the buff last like 4 minutes or something. If a teammate stays close their buff is constantly refreshed, but if they leave then they are on a timer till fly runs out. Obviously players should be able to cancel the buff at any time once they are no longer in range. 

[Call Me Awesome]

It needs a prompt like TP and Mystic Fortune have.  "Do you want to be affected by Group Fly?" yes or no.  If no then you're fine, if yes then you're screwed when you get out of range.  That takes care of the problem and if you team with someone with the power frequently then you can go to Null and change the option just like TP and Mystic Fortune.

[Dragon Crush]

50 minutes ago, Communistpenguin said:

How about have it a power that pulses and grants a timed fly buff to everyone inside its pulse range. Then just have it pulse once a second and have the buff last like 4 minutes or something. If a teammate stays close their buff is constantly refreshed, but if they leave then they are on a timer till fly runs out. Obviously players should be able to cancel the buff at any time once they are no longer in range. 

I was coming here to suggest something pretty similar, although I was thinking it should wear off in pulses, so when fly wears off (weather it's 4 minutes, or 40 seconds like I was originally thinking) you get a pulse of half speed fly for 10 seconds to start making your way to the ground, and one final pulse for 10 seconds of flight at "hover slotted for flight speed" before it finally wears off all the way. Also if it's not a 4 minute pulse, maybe give a warning when you're getting near the edge of the flight field so you can try to re-orient.

[Raikao]

So can we still talk about Group Fly?

 

Justifying the pick and endurance cost to take it is hard enough, but it still sucks balls and needs a rework. Increase the radius, give the caster slightly less flyspeed than everyone else gets.

 

I can't even use it properly with pets its so sad.

[SwitchFade]

58 minutes ago, Raikao said:

So can we still talk about Group Fly?

 

Justifying the pick and endurance cost to take it is hard enough, but it still sucks balls and needs a rework. Increase the radius, give the caster slightly less flyspeed than everyone else gets.

 

I can't even use it properly with pets its so sad.

You...

 

Just won the zombie internets...

[Oklahoman]

On 8/18/2023 at 5:44 AM, Raikao said:

So can we still talk about Group Fly?

 

Justifying the pick and endurance cost to take it is hard enough, but it still sucks balls and needs a rework. Increase the radius, give the caster slightly less flyspeed than everyone else gets.

 

I can't even use it properly with pets its so sad.

 

So, you did it wrong. Rather than use the search function to see if a topic has already been discussed and then add to that, you're supposed to create a whole new post on the same topic. See: "Level 50 Token"

 

Honestly, I say get rid of Group Fly for a number of reasons, and just have fly also work on pets. Anyone who doesn't have fly and needs it can get a jetpack.

Edited August 19, 2023 by Oklahoman

[lemming]

22 minutes ago, Oklahoman said:

So, you did it wrong. Rather than use the search function to see if a topic has already been discussed and then add to that, you're supposed to create a whole new post on the same topic. See: "Level 50 Token"

 

Honestly, I saw get rid of Group Fly for a number of reasons, and just have fly also work on pets. Anyone who doesn't have fly and needs to fly can get a jetpack.

Yea, probably bringing up a dead topic about a power that was changed in the meantime, is probably not the best.

 

If above, replace Group fly with a "Grant Fly"?   Would work similar to Grant Invisibility.  Would at least cut down on these threads and complaints?

[Herotu]

7 hours ago, Raikao said:

So can we still talk about Group Fly?

 

Justifying the pick and endurance cost to take it is hard enough, but it still sucks balls and needs a rework. Increase the radius, give the caster slightly less flyspeed than everyone else gets.

 

I can't even use it properly with pets its so sad.

100%. 

 

It's completely pointless and annoys your friends. Why would anybody use, let alone pick it? It's the low bar.

 

If it were me, I'd make it work on all your own pets, regardless of range - which would give it a purpose but only for a few classes. 

Then I'd look at replacing it entirely with something fun. Perhaps move afterburner into the pool instead of having it on that annoying popup. Why should you get that free? That's USEFUL.

Hey there's the first thing I'd do. Swap Group Fly into the annoying popup and afterburner in the pool. Easy peasy, problem solved.

... and that's just off the top of my head. I'm amazing!

[Zep]

Maybe a bit situational but has it's uses. Arachnos/Rikti Flyer, Hammi, getting imps into the air vs trying to get flyers to the ground.

 

My issue with group fly is it blocks the use of any power that requires the user to be on the ground. This includes things like Hotfeet, Power Drones, and some melee attacks (including t9's).

 

Leaving me, if I am on one of those characters to have to leave the area to activate the power.

 

The random on/off as we move between and in missions is annoying as well.

 

I get wanting it on a pet heavy character though.

[cranebump]

I think it should summon a really big quinjet that divides into smaller pods (and some of the pods have ray guns that go FREEEEEEEM!)

 

[my opinion of group fly can best be illustrated by the fact that I turn it off via Null the Gull for every character I have]

[Etched]

1 minute ago, cranebump said:

I think it should summon a really big quinjet that divides into smaller pods (and some of the pods have ray guns that go FREEEEEEEM!)

 

[my opinion of group fly can best be illustrated by the fact that I turn it off via Null the Gull for every character I have]

 

I second this! FREEEEEM!

 

@Etched

[Ironblade]

18 minutes ago, Etched said:

 

I second this! FREEEEEM!

 

@Etched

 

[SwitchFade]

6 hours ago, lemming said:

Yea, probably bringing up a dead topic about a power that was changed in the meantime, is probably not the best.

 

If above, replace Group fly with a "Grant Fly"?   Would work similar to Grant Invisibility.  Would at least cut down on these threads and complaints?

Oooo GRANT fly...

 

Now that's a superb idea!

[biostem]

6 hours ago, lemming said:

If above, replace Group fly with a "Grant Fly"?   Would work similar to Grant Invisibility.  Would at least cut down on these threads and complaints?

Maybe treat it like Inertial reduction instead - have it be a PBAoE that grants flight for a few minutes to all allies in-range.

[lemming]

7 hours ago, Herotu said:

100%. 

 

It's completely pointless and annoys your friends. Why would anybody use, let alone pick it? It's the low bar.

 

If it were me, I'd make it work on all your own pets, regardless of range - which would give it a purpose but only for a few classes. 

Then I'd look at replacing it entirely with something fun. Perhaps move afterburner into the pool instead of having it on that annoying popup. Why should you get that free? That's USEFUL.

Hey there's the first thing I'd do. Swap Group Fly into the annoying popup and afterburner in the pool. Easy peasy, problem solved.

... and that's just off the top of my head. I'm amazing!

So, one problem with raise from the dead threads are when the powers get patched in the *checks notes* 3 years that the thread was started.

 

• Group Fly
  • This power now applies to all pets regardless of their distance from the caster
  • No longer inaccurately claims it applies -Acc

 

[Herotu]

1 minute ago, lemming said:

So, one problem with raise from the dead threads are when the powers get patched in the *checks notes* 3 years that the thread was started.

 

• Group Fly
  • This power now applies to all pets regardless of their distance from the caster
  • No longer inaccurately claims it applies -Acc

 

Ah, perfect! Good job you. And the developers.

[OverkillEngine]

I do like the idea that as far as player characters go to change it to granting a temp version of default flight; then it is up to the recipient if they want to use it, and if they want it recharged they have to get back within the effect radius.
 

[Greycat]

On 8/18/2023 at 5:44 AM, Raikao said:

So can we still talk about Group Fly?

 

Justifying the pick and endurance cost to take it is hard enough, but it still sucks balls and needs a rework. Increase the radius, give the caster slightly less flyspeed than everyone else gets.

 

I can't even use it properly with pets its so sad.

 

Can we talk about how ridiculous it is to necro a thread this old instead of making a new one?

 

Christ, people.  What's next, asking if the beta's going to run on your 8088? Responding to a newspaper article mentioning the Barbary pirates? Giving your opinion on that William guy from Normandy?

[Glacier Peak]

43 minutes ago, Greycat said:

 

Can we talk about how ridiculous it is to necro a thread this old instead of making a new one?

 

Christ, people.  What's next, asking if the beta's going to run on your 8088? Responding to a newspaper article mentioning the Barbary pirates? Giving your opinion on that William guy from Normandy?

Edited August 19, 2023 by Glacier Peak

[Clave Dark 5]

21 hours ago, lemming said:

If above, replace Group fly with a "Grant Fly"?

Misread this as GIANT FLY and oh man, now I want that pet!

[Sykar]

Why not make it like /kin group jump which is a buff that lasts a few minutes?