The +4/x9 Experiment

[Yomo Kimyata]

Early on in HC, I joked about running a character solo to 50 at +4/x8 settings through missions.  Then this thread taught me that there are ways to break that.  So now I'm trying to run to 50 at +4/x999!

 

My self-imposed rules:

 

1.  Start a new character, run through the tutorial.  Then put your settings at +4/x9 (or higher).  See @Apparitions thread for how to do so.  Bosses activated, but there is no way I'm going to activate AVs.

2.  Pure solo.  No teams, no drive-by buffs.

3.  Regular XP. 

4.  No street sweeping unless it's part of a mission or is absolutely necessary.  In other words, don't circumvent the task by leveling outside of missions.

5.  No outleveling missions.  No going back to a level 8 mission at 12.

6.  No Ouro missions, or if you do, turn off XP.  

 

Other than that, use every tool you have at your disposal and run missions.  Throw the kitchen sink at them.  For extra bonus points, do this on a self-funded character.

 

It's tedious, it's time-consuming, and a real exercise in learning how to avoid aggroing an entire spawn.  But it's far more doable than you might think.  I haven't hit any +7 spawns yet (currently at level 11 on a Mind/Nature controller after a total of three missions).  I die a fair amount.  I suspect that it's going to get really painful in the 30s, but we'll see!  Wish me luck!

[Luminara]

You have enough inf* to pay someone to abuse you, if you're really that into it.

 

Or, hell, skip the carpal tunnel syndrome and really abuse yourself by watching something like Jason X or The Adventures of Pluto Nash.

[Bill Z Bubba]

1 hour ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

1.  Start a new character, run through the tutorial.  Then put your settings at +4/x9 (or higher).  See @Apparitions thread for how to do so.  Bosses activated, but there is no way I'm going to activate AVs.

 

Link? Not seeing it.

[Yomo Kimyata]

1 hour ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

Link? Not seeing it.

 

also. /setdifficultyteamsize 999

 

Edited July 3, 2021 by Yomo Kimyata

[Sovera]

Not gonna lie that while starting as +4  leaves me cold having a x9 (or 10, or 20) option interests me. Does it work like that?

[Yomo Kimyata]

27 minutes ago, Sovera said:

Not gonna lie that while starting as +4  leaves me cold having a x9 (or 10, or 20) option interests me. Does it work like that?

The exact opposite.  It fixed the mob size at x8 but it bugs the level to +5-?+7?.

[Biff Pow]

Not to this extreme obviously, but I do up the difficulty with Mind Controllers once I get Confuse. It feels more efficient beating multiple Bosses in a mission rather than a bunch of Minions, and the safe no-aggro control makes it easy.

[Apparition]

Dear Lord.  What have I done? 😨

[Doomguide2005]

1 hour ago, Supertanker said:

Not to this extreme obviously, but I do up the difficulty with Mind Controllers once I get Confuse. It feels more efficient beating multiple Bosses in a mission rather than a bunch of Minions, and the safe no-aggro control makes it easy.

Except for one thing ... purple patch.  Your confuse duration before enhancement is under 3 sec vs a +7.   Good luck on even a well enhanced character spamming Confuse that fast that often for quite a few levels after 6th.  Now vs +6 that duration is about doubled but still once you're down to the last boss you've got to defeat them with no help while continuing to spam Confuse which in turn is going to cut into your dps something fierce.  And your dps on a lowbie controller when its 15% or so of normal then cut further while spamming Confuse.

 

Doable perhaps but easy not so sure considering one slip and what's your defense again at low levels while not exemped and trying to muster the recharge etc to spam Confuse.

 

Then again tedious vs not easy is another question.

[Yomo Kimyata]

Early observations:

 

@Doomguide2005 is exactly right.  This whole experiment is understanding the purple patch.  https://hcwiki.cityofheroes.dev/wiki/Purple_Patch

 

Early on, defense is almost irrelevant.  You're probably gonna get hit by anyone and everyone.  I've been focusing on resist over defense.  Also, accuracy is critical.

 

SOs at level 2 are ridiculously overpowered.  If you are using SOs then and not playing at +3 or more, in my opinion you are beating up kindergarten kids.

 

Amplifiers are also ridiculously overpowered.  See above comment.

 

Strategic leveling is always fun, and you will do it early and often.  Take your ding as an opportunity to shell out as much as you can before running away.  Remember, if you level a few times and you are facing the comparatively trivial mod of +3/x8, they will slay you.  Echo of Statesman lasts for seconds.

 

Run away a lot.  I keep Sprint active, and I'm actually going to two slot it soon.  I may three slot it eventually.

 

Early on, I don't think it really matters what AT you play.  I wouldn't play a mastermind, controller, or dominator (except mind of maybe plant).  Pets don't last.  But I think almost anything else is "doable".  I'm setting up a Beam/Willpower sentinel for an additional data point.  Right now she's making inf and getting res day job bonus.

[Bill Z Bubba]

2 hours ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

The exact opposite.  It fixed the mob size at x8 but it bugs the level to +5-?+7?.

 

Got it. Enemies still cap at 54 so this does nothin for me. 😞

[Apparition]

11 minutes ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

Got it. Enemies still cap at 54 so this does nothin for me. 😞

 

Yep.  As I pointed out in the original thread, the mission/TF/SF needs to be level 49 or below for this bug to work.  Also as I pointed out, +5 (or above) really isn't worth it.  It's not difficult.  It's just a slog.

[Yomo Kimyata]

1 minute ago, Apparition said:

 

Yep.  As I pointed out in the original thread, the mission/TF/SF needs to be level 49 or below for this bug to work.  Also as I pointed out, +5 (or above) really isn't worth it.  It's not difficult.  It's just a slog.

 

At level 2?  It's difficult.  At level 49, nerp.

[Murcielago]

O my, i'm going to give this a shot....

[Yomo Kimyata]

Aw, I just came back to this character and now running at +4/x999 just gives you one character's worth of enemies at +5-6 instead of eight!

[Snarky]

On 7/3/2021 at 6:30 PM, Yomo Kimyata said:

you are beating up kindergarten kids.

I am down.  How do I set this up?  

Edited Tuesday at 03:18 PM by Snarky

[biostem]

On 7/3/2021 at 3:21 PM, Luminara said:

Jason X

Hey!  He just wanted his machete back...

 

EDIT:  And only just now did I realize this is a 4 year-old post.  Feel free to delete if needed...

Edited Tuesday at 03:49 PM by biostem

[AboveTheChemist]

1 hour ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

Aw, I just came back to this character and now running at +4/x999 just gives you one character's worth of enemies at +5-6 instead of eight!

 

I have some vague memories of testing this bug quite a lot back when it first became known, and some even more vague memories of it being fixed. I can't recall if the fix was ever documented in patch notes, or if it was just a discord discussion I recall reading.

[Yomo Kimyata]

41 minutes ago, AboveTheChemist said:

 

I have some vague memories of testing this bug quite a lot back when it first became known, and some even more vague memories of it being fixed. I can't recall if the fix was ever documented in patch notes, or if it was just a discord discussion I recall reading.

 

I would have missed it in Discord, but I always trust your work and word!

 

[lemming]

1 hour ago, AboveTheChemist said:

 

I have some vague memories of testing this bug quite a lot back when it first became known, and some even more vague memories of it being fixed. I can't recall if the fix was ever documented in patch notes, or if it was just a discord discussion I recall reading.

I sorta remember back then it had been fixed to not allow outside the bounds.  Sometime in the last 3 years, but iirc, it was closer to 3 years back than more recent.

[Ukase]

If I look at the @apparition post, @Hedgefund makes note of the lack of corresponding rewards for your efforts. 

[Xalon]

I like this. Creating our own challenges really makes the game special. Great job! Go getem!

[Luminara]

4 hours ago, biostem said:

EDIT:  And only just now did I realize this is a 4 year-old post.  Feel free to delete if needed...

 

[shortguy on indom]

• ...IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THE NEW ARCS ATM, BUT AM GOING TO THIS NEXT.  TY FOR THE INFO!