golstat2003 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The John Cena. 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheyherazad Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I do want to have an opinion but, I am still suffering(DEEPLY) from the shock over WHY???????????? this was done and unable to deal with it having been done...not joking guys. Where did this come from? Character is what you are in the dark. - John Warfin Integrity is what you do when no one is looking. - My Grandfather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KageYume Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 While "Stealth" sounds cooler then "Invisibility", we should consider which will cause confusion. In the past I have had people ask about Powers that grant "Stealth", IO's that give "Stealth" and the "Stealth" mechanics. There are a number of posts and guides which use the the term "Stealth." On occasion this would result in confusion, and when it didn't it was because the "Stealth" power from Concealment and other powers that granted "stealth" were close enough that one could just gloss over the 5 foot difference. However if we keep the name "Stealth" for this new power the confusion for both NEW players and returning players will increase. The Stealth IO's no longer act like the this new power. Steamy mist and others no longer have a similar effect as this new power. As an example of the confusion just search the Archetype forums and Stealth has 1954 hits, while "Invisibility" has 697. Look at the actual phrases and it will become quite apparent that "Stealth" flips between the various meanings while the majority of the "Invisibility" hits refeer to one of the powers with the name Invisibility (Group, Superior, etc), NOT a mechanic of the game, or an IO, or a power similar to "Stealth". Now is our chance to make the "Stealth system" a little easier for current, returning, and New players to understand. Hopefully the Devs keep that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bopper Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sheyherazad said: I do want to have an opinion but, I am still suffering(DEEPLY) from the shock over WHY???????????? this was done and unable to deal with it having been done...not joking guys. Where did this come from? Probably to give the set a travel power and to remove one power that mostly did the same thing as another power, thus choosing to combine them. 1 1 PPM Information Guide Survivability Tool Interface DoT Procs Guide Time Manipulation Guide Bopper Builds +HP/+Regen Proc Cheat Sheet Super Pack Drop Percentages Recharge Guide Base Empowerment: Temp Powers Bopper's Tools & Formulas Mids' Reborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmperorSteele Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 "Hide" 😃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindingsucks Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Having seen the custom button that @Hopestar posted, I am now obligated to vote "invisibility". 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaranBlack Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Stealth encompasses more abilities than the term invisibility. Batman doesn’t turn invisible but he is hard to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentExeider Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 If you're still visible even slightly, then it's Stealth, but use the Invisibility icon, the glowie blue looks better then the non-glowie blue one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palador Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I'm voting Stealth, because like many powers, it can actually be used to represent different things. A ninja character? They're not invisible, they're just really good at blending in and not drawing attention. Mind controller? Oh, you see them, you just don't notice them. Like the keys in your hand as you search for your keys, your brain is just not registering them. Homeless guy sitting in the gutter? Everyone knows they're there, but everyone's trying REALLY HARD to pretend that they don't see them. Cyborg covert ops agent from an alternate future timeline? Thermoptic camouflage, which IS a form of invisibility. The one power is how you can represent all of these ideas, but only one of them is actually Invisibility. They are all forms of Stealth, however. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBadman Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Given that stealth now functions as invisibility use to (making you indetectable to NPCs until an action was taken) and infiltration now acts as stealth use to (detectable to enemies at a certain distance, but with additional travel power benifits) I'd say keep "Invisibility" as invisibility and rename "infiltration" to "stealth". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troo Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Probably something different since it will be neither. "Homecoming is not perfect but it is still better than the alternative.. at least so far" - Unknown (Wise words Unknown!) Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtj714 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Luminara said: Considering that everything, up to and including glancing sidelong at the keyboard while briefly considering taking an action, causes the 19' buff to cancel itself, perhaps the appropriate name would be "Invisibility", with the quotation marks, and the icon changed to a couple of hands doing air quotes. "Invisibility" If this is the intended functionality, then Stealth is the better name, since it’s really just enhanced Stealth. On the other hand, if this is a bug and the stealth suppression is only supposed to occur as it did with the old Invisibility, then Invisibility is better. So depends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakwatch Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 My two cents: A game about customizing super powers needs an "Invisibility" power. It just ain't right not having it in. Also, Superior Invisibility would no longer be superior to Invisibility! 1 "All thoughts of retreat are discarded as counterproductive, there is no other course of action but to press on. You've been caught in an unseen orbit, around a power you cannot possibly fathom." Everlasting - Gradivus, Amarillo Starlight, Hullbreak, Hyperblink, Matchlite Previously on Guardian, Triumph, Liberty, and Freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabola Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Luminara said: Considering that everything, up to and including glancing sidelong at the keyboard while briefly considering taking an action, causes the 19' buff to cancel itself, perhaps the appropriate name would be "Invisibility", with the quotation marks, and the icon changed to a couple of hands doing air quotes. "Invisibility" Invisibleish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBear Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 This is probably slightly off topic, but we have multiple powers now that offer protection when not detected, but as soon as someone detects us it uses endurance to do..... nothing? I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 If anything, Superior Invisibility could drop the Superior. Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreah Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Myrmidon said: If anything, Superior Invisibility could drop the Superior. Instead of Invisibility and Superior Invisibility, we could have Inferior Invisibility, and Invisibility. Or! -- Visibility and Invisibility. Edited April 21, 2021 by Andreah 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taboo Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 16 hours ago, Faultline said: Drax Mode. The irony of a Dev posting, someone failing to be invisible when trying to be invisible, well played. Maybe Drax needs to wait the required 10 seconds. Animations should match effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathulfr Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Sneaky McSneakface 1 2 @Rathstar Energy/Energy Blaster (50+3) on Everlasting Energy/Temporal Blaster (50+3) on Excelsior Energy/Willpower Sentinel (50+3) on Indomitable Energy/Energy Sentinel (50+1) on Torchbearer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarySai Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) Invisibility makes more sense both by definition and when conceptualizing what the power does. On a side note: Cardboard box stealth power when? Edited April 21, 2021 by ScarySai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphimKensai Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Invisibility. Reason we have Super speed, and IO's along with other powers that add to our stealth. This power has the ability to be invisible on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Black Zot Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, SeraphimKensai said: Invisibility. Reason we have Super speed, and IO's along with other powers that add to our stealth. This power has the ability to be invisible on its own. Assuming you don't brush the keyboard with your hand or mouse-over any power icons on screen, as doing basically ANYTHING causes a chunk of it to suppress. If you still want to be invisible, you still need a second stealth effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Council Faultline Posted April 21, 2021 City Council Share Posted April 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, SeraphimKensai said: Invisibility. Reason we have Super speed, and IO's along with other powers that add to our stealth. This power has the ability to be invisible on its own. To be fair, this power grants 55 Stealth (same as old Invisibility, I believe, once the suppression bugs are fixed) while Hide providess 150 Stealth and Superior Invisibility a whooping 200 Stealth, so it's not really on the same league. I don't know how much Stealth is needed to be "truly invisible", though -- not a powers dev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Faultline said: To be fair, this power grants 55 Stealth (same as old Invisibility, I believe, once the suppression bugs are fixed) while Hide provides 150 Stealth and Superior Invisibility a whooping 200 Stealth, so it's not really on the same league. I don't know how much Stealth is needed to be "truly invisible", though -- not a powers dev. Stealth offers a higher level stealth bonus (55ft) than Infiltration (36FT). The Stealth IO (Celerity/Unbound Leap) offers 30ft. Super Speed offers 35ft. So that being said, I think 55ft is the sweet spot for Stealth. I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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